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crazy man at 16th St BART (NSFW)

IMO lethal force wasn't necessary in that situation, he wasn't attacking anyone (well not enough to warrant being shot) and didn't have any weapons. I'm all for concealed carry but that would have been a bad idea unless it escalated. Even if someone presented a firearm I don't think it would even register with him, and unless you plan to shoot it should stay holstered.

A shot from a taser would have ended quickly and safely and maybe some OC if necessary (indoors in a public place though).
 
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highonF4i said:
Agreed. I've walked by many a naked crazy person in SF. However - attacking females? I like to think I would have intervened, and probably subsequently got my ass kicked, which is actually the best case scenario against that dude. :nchantr
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Also agreed. I would have probably walked right by as well. Used to this shit. I, like many people in the video, would have stepped in if/when actual assault was committed. Otherwise, that's SFPD's problem.
 
Now if everyone had a gun... At what point could we all open fire? Or does just the person getting attacked get to shoot?
 
Poquito said:
Now if everyone had a gun... At what point could we all open fire? Or does just the person getting attacked get to shoot?
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Only people that can shoot are the BART officers.

And even then, they can only shoot if you are in handcuffs. :nchantr
 
Toast said:
IMO lethal force wasn't necessary in that situation, he wasn't attacking anyone (well not enough to warrant being shot) and didn't have any weapons. I'm all for concealed carry but that would have been a bad idea unless it escalated. Even if someone presented a firearm I don't think it would even register with him, and unless you plan to shoot it should stay holstered.

A shot from a taser would have ended quickly and safely and maybe some OC if necessary (indoors in a public place though).
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I agree totally. However in the end your own safety will always be in your own hands when there is no police on the scene or in the worst case scenario they are not doing their jobs properly.
 
crazy people: harmless until otherwise.

then the fingerpointing begins. "why didn't police stop him before he hurt someone? He was obviously deranged"...etc....
 
Considering his physical shape, the effortless backflip and mental intoxicated state, not sure what pepper spray would have done but that's a perfect reason to carry it. Was waiting for a big black dude to sock him square in the face and knock him out cold.

If he was shot by a person with a CCW, that person would have been going to jail. He didnt do enough to warrant deadly force.
 
Cop station 1.5 blocks away yet you never see a cop hanging out at 16th and Mission. Drive by? Yes. Stop? noooooo. Granted, i don't hang out there all day but, judging from the character of those who do, police presence must be at a minimum if at all.

Bart police? Nowhere to be found. I give the one Bart employee some props for keeping that guy away from some of the passengers and engaging in defending them. Clearly, Mr. Crackie was f'ed up but had some skills (half gainer off the turnstile and landed flat on his feet!) and it wasn't that employees job to engage - which again reminds me, where were the guys who do have the job of providing bart security?

Indeed, it's sad that so many walk by just thinking, "yep, another day in paradise." Oh, props to bicycle guy that gave Crackie a kick.
 
Never understood why there is not a BART cop in each station. There are 44 stations and more than 200 BART cops. Why not just station one cop in each station and have the rest riding the trains.

I really never understood why BART cops have cars and drive from station to station. Isn't the whole point of BART to get people out of cars and are the cops going anywhere other than where the trains go? Seems stupid.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Had she had AND BEEN TRAINED with a gun, problem would have been solved. Had someone else in the area possessed and been trained with a gun, problem could have been solved.
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Uh...,NO!!
Besides being naked, that guy was not exhibiting any behavior that would lead a rational person to believe that his intent was to do great bodily harm to anyone.
If someone would have shot him dead, then THEY (the shooter) would have been doing some serious jail time, as no ones life was at risk.
And please don’t give me any of that “You don’t know what he COULD have done” crap.
You can NOT use deadly force until you are sure your life (or someone else’s life) is at stake.
I carry, and I would not have pulled my gun out in this case.
Would I have gotten involved and used the force :mag necessary to stop him from bothering those helpless people? I would have tried.
 
Toast said:
IMO lethal force wasn't necessary in that situation, he wasn't attacking anyone (well not enough to warrant being shot) and didn't have any weapons.
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It sure looked like he punched that last woman in the face. I agree he doesn't need to die but he needs a beat down.
 
Can only ticket him for toll evasion, but he will beat it in court when he shows his butt crack can`t hold three dollars in Susan B. Anthony coins.
 
Goose916 said:
Cop station 1.5 blocks away yet you never see a cop hanging out at 16th and Mission. Drive by? Yes. Stop? noooooo. Granted, i don't hang out there all day but, judging from the character of those who do, police presence must be at a minimum if at all.

Bart police? Nowhere to be found. I give the one Bart employee some props for keeping that guy away from some of the passengers and engaging in defending them. Clearly, Mr. Crackie was f'ed up but had some skills (half gainer off the turnstile and landed flat on his feet!) and it wasn't that employees job to engage - which again reminds me, where were the guys who do have the job of providing bart security?

Indeed, it's sad that so many walk by just thinking, "yep, another day in paradise." Oh, props to bicycle guy that gave Crackie a kick.
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So again this is my hood. The police station is in fact a block and a half away, but I can tell you there seems to be an unspoken deal with the miscreants in the area. Hell, maybe it is spoken.

The police seem to let the addicts, pushers, drunks, crazies and prostitutes have those two blocks on Mission between 16th and 18th. I always thought it just keeps them all in one area. There is more presence on a Friday and Saturday night especially close to BART, but generally the rule seems to be as long as they stay there and away from Valencia and they can do whatever the fuck they want.
 
FlewbyU said:
Never understood why there is not a BART cop in each station. There are 44 stations and more than 200 BART cops. Why not just station one cop in each station and have the rest riding the trains.

I really never understood why BART cops have cars and drive from station to station. Isn't the whole point of BART to get people out of cars and are the cops going anywhere other than where the trains go? Seems stupid.
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Truth. :thumbup
 
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