Cyclist has threatened to trash my bike

[Lovedoc]

Well, now..... I posted in humor. However, since you wish to be serious:

Not calling you out CS, I didn't quote. Sorry if Keyboard Warriors Offended.

I don't think you are AGATT, if a roundhouse kick is getting to you. Every leather suit, or jacket, that I have has nice forearm and elbow protection. This padding is very similar to that used in dojos to practice contact martial arts. Certainly, blocking several roundhouse kicks is not a big deal. I suggest that you step INTO your opponent the next time, to take away his kick advantage. You then have armored knuckles, elbows, boots AND a helmet to use as weapons.

ATGATT combat has been covered on BARF before, don't actually remember anybody posting that had experience. I worry about the helmet, yes can be used to headbutt, and protects the face and brain, but seriously limits vision and a hand around the chinbar allows him to own your head.

Do things quick and then RUN!

HA! You have never seen me run, an ugly sight my friend. And quick disappeared in the Reagan years.

I am a pacifist by nature and avoid physical confrontation at all cost.

Yeah, street brawling is too unpredictable.
In my example, I brought anger, then he trumped me with skills, then my dog
stopped that, and the EX-ie in my car had a gun. Just don't fight unless attacked. Take it to the track.

 

[bio]

I am the same way. The reason people behave the way they do is the same reason a dog jumps up on people or kids act like brats. Because nobody has taught them better, taught them that shit like that won't fly. The same sheep that weigh in with the turn the other cheek, be the bigger man, ignore it crap are the same people that complain when someone's dog jumps on them or someone's brat is acting a fool in Wallmart and annoying them. The solution is simple. Someone runs off at the lip, blast them in the lip. Someone threatens to harm you or the things you hold dear, harm them and their shit first. Someone threatens you and tells you they can and will whip your ass, make them prove it. Enough people start sacking up and checking paper mache pinata excuses for tuff guys shit will change. Imagine how people would relate to one another, how much less disrespectful people would be towards one another if there was a sudden rash of assholes getting free dental work on your nearest street corner. If you knew that there was a chance that that little wimpy dude you were considering picking on just might take a swing at you you might think twice about your actions. At the very least crank1000 wouldn't need a new visor.

If someone threatens me, I'm happy to discuss what they are upset about, and I'll even apologize if I'm in the wrong...Or fight. I'd rather not, and I doubt I'd be any good at it, but I backed down for the last time years ago.

It's not about being tough, it's about doing the right thing.

i feel you on that, but it sucks when people just wanna talk shit and walk away feeling tough.

I had a guy riding 10mph dead in the middle of the road Sunday force me across the DY to pass him. Then he makes a foul comment to me in front of my kids after I parked in a park just up the road, only to ride away when I attempted to confront him. There are dozens of these dickheads in my little town.

man, that pisses me off. People talk shit all day long and never back it up.

Someone keyed my car the other day, that had me fucking boiling. Its old as hell, already keyed on the other side, and has more than a few dents. I worked damn hard to make the money that i bought it with, and its in a parking lot next to 30k+ cars kids parents bought for them. (can you guess where i live?)

So anyway, passive aggressive fucks like that dont have any honor. No honor, no dignity. It wouldnt be beyond someone like that to fuck with it. Its a bitch move to talk shit like that and then just walk away too.

Personally, i wouldnt risk it. Your bike is considerably more valuable than my car, and think how you would feel if he got away with it.

 

[RockyMt]

Nicebloke, if you need to ask how to "handle" the situation, you my friend are already his bitch. No internet toughness here, just a reality check. The nanosecond he made the threat, he should have been recieving something hard in the face, 3 or 4 times. You are not merely protecting yourself (and your dignity) you are protecting all the spineless bitches who won't or don't stand up to douchebags like him. The ONLY way to stop that type of behaviour from spreading is to sucker punch the punk, crush his Schwinn and piss on his face. (while laughing and pounding your chest in glee!)
Explaining that you are a "good person" and do non-proffit volounteer work merely emboldened him, only to try it again on one of us.....

-Rocky-

 

[Aluisious]

If someone threatens to harm your property in the future and you hit them, you're going to jail.

I'm not going to jail for my $2500ish bike. If some dude was in my face yelling about fucking up my bike I'd probably just tell him to fuck off while memorizing what I could about him to contact the police.

 

[Entoptic]

You should have chased him down and

Should have beat his ass and called the cops. Dood followed you into parking and threaten you and your bike. Take that fixie and turn it into his new necklace....

 

[nicebloke]

Explaining that you are a "good person" and do non-proffit volounteer work merely emboldened him, only to try it again on one of us.....

-Rocky-

I never even got a chance to say anything to him. The interaction was less than 10 seconds (the first 5 of which were confusion on my part since it took him a moment to actually make his point), I was sitting on a parked, stationary motorcycle after just shutting it off, and he stayed in motion on his bicycle, shouting from 20 feet away. The "explanation" part was musing about whether I leave a note on my bike should he return, an idea that has since been discarded.

All these responses saying I should have smacked him down etc. seem to not realize that it was physically impossible since my arms and legs have failed to grow to a length of 20 feet, I refuse to ride my bike through a pedestrian area (where the toerag fled to) and that despite my best intentions I still can't run as fast as a bicycle can go.

 

[blakefacente]

People who know how to fight generally do it as a last resort, especially when it involves responding to verbal threats made on the street. There are too many unpredictable variables.

People who wish they knew how to fight make a lot of grandiose statements on the internet about how they would kick the ass of anyone who threatens them or their bike.

I suggest basic self defense for anyone who doesn't know what the hell they would do if some asshole on a fixie comes at them with his little kryptonite lock.

 

[Aluisious]

People who know how to fight generally do it as a last resort, especially when it involves responding to verbal threats made on the street. There are too many unpredictable variables.

People who wish they knew how to fight make a lot of grandiose statements on the internet about how they would kick the ass of anyone who threatens them or their bike.

+1

I always wonder how many people who talk about kicking ass have actually been in a fight since grade school. Pushing your drunk buddy around doesn't count, either.

 

[RockyMt]

Telling someone you are gonna kick their ass is legally considered assault, carrying out the threat is battery. If you tell the friendly policeman that as he came at you he said "I'm gonna KILL you", then you are within your rights to deal with the threat (TO you, not YOUR PROPERTY) The only way to insure that the police (or D.A.) is not confused with multiple versions of your plight, is to continue "dealing" with the threat untill it is incapable of testimony....

-Rocky-

 

[TylerW]

Its confrontations like this that make me glad that I spent a number of years on a motorcycle commuting in the city before I began bicycle commuting. Because commuting on two wheels taught me one thing: Drivers are shit at driving. Its not really their fault, and it can't be helped, they're just shit at it. You can get upset about it, but its like getting upset at the shitty weather or that market street always smells like bum piss - it just happens. You just shrug it off and get on with your day like a grown adult. And if you don't, you'll likely turn into one of those insufferable fixie cunts who drink nothing but PBR at Bender's (oh wait, whups) and try and figure out how to do critical mass every Friday, since it does so much good for everyone.

 

[Ed.]

People who know how to fight generally do it as a last resort, especially when it involves responding to verbal threats made on the street. There are too many unpredictable variables.

People who wish they knew how to fight make a lot of grandiose statements on the internet about how they would kick the ass of anyone who threatens them or their bike.

I suggest basic self defense for anyone who doesn't know what the hell they would do if some asshole on a fixie comes at them with his little kryptonite lock.

You still seem to be hung up on the winning the fight bit. It has nothing to do with winning, it is about having the balls to force someone to make good on their threats or come to terms with the fact that they are just running off at the lip. Why do most of you keep focusing on winning? Is it that you are terrified of loosing? If you refuse to back down and be bullied you have already won. If you show some chump that you do not care if he can whip your ass or not you will not allow him to treat you that way without taking a stand you would be surprised at how they respond.

 

[Ed.]

+1

I always wonder how many people who talk about kicking ass have actually been in a fight since grade school. Pushing your drunk buddy around doesn't count, either.

Why do you wonder?

 

[Entoptic]

How is it that I'm able to drive and ride around on the same streets as bicyclists and not have any problems? Maybe some of you guys are dipshit magnets.

Cause you live in Santa Rosa. What the fuck goes on in Santa Rosa anyway...

 

[OBJMS33]

I meant more I have sympathy for the frustration we all have as this state has become over crowded. I didn't know that much detail about the case itself. And I'm not blaming the victim. I said people share partial responsilbility if they act aggressivly in return, just as many of you are advocating walking away. And i made my points as it increases risk to all involved.
I did go off topic. Sorry about that! I normally stay out of these things. My honest apologies. I'm not here to inflame people.

 

[blakefacente]

You still seem to be hung up on the winning the fight bit. It has nothing to do with winning, it is about having the balls to force someone to make good on their threats or come to terms with the fact that they are just running off at the lip. Why do most of you keep focusing on winning? Is it that you are terrified of loosing? If you refuse to back down and be bullied you have already won. If you show some chump that you do not care if he can whip your ass or not you will not allow him to treat you that way without taking a stand you would be surprised at how they respond.

Your thinking is very naive.
Sure, if you are completely prepared to fight someone, no matter what unknown shit might happen (gun, knife, pepper spray, guy who actually knows how to fight, eye gouging, biting, head smashing concrete, etc.) then by all means, challenge away. I'm not willing to do that unless I or my loved ones are being physically threatened.

It's not about balls. If you think not backing down from some fixie douchebag on the street is all about balls, then you obviously haven't faced many truly challenging things in life.
Balls are what it takes to know that minor bullshit confrontations are not worth losing teeth or breaking bones or hurting some poor skinny PBR drinker over. Sometimes it takes balls (and smarts) to walk away.

There are so many things that can go wrong in a streetfight, for either party, that you really need to be prepared to fight for your life. Personally, I would feel really bad if I broke some hipster's arm over some bullshit. What would I do, laugh and go to work, leaving him writhing in the street? Great. What about if everything was going well for me and then he jabbed his finger in my eye, requiring surgery or something. How would I explain that to people, and my family, and my job? Oh, this asshole said he was going to fuck up my motorcycle when I parked, so I chased him down and beat the shit out of him until he jabbed me in the fucking eye.

You need a little perspective if you think that never backing down anytime someone verbally pisses you off is some sort of test of your manhood. Why don't you join an MMA or BJJ gym, learn how to fight, and spar with guys who also know how to fight. Put your huge balls to the test. Then next time some asshole pisses you off on the street, laugh and walk away, knowing you could defend yourself and probably kick his ass, but you DIDN'T HAVE TO because it was not a situation that called for a physical confrontation.

 

[Jackson]

Fighting isn't something you can debate, especially on the internet. Like a previous post said, there are just too many variables. The biggest lesson I've learned about fighting is that typically someone willing to engage in a street fight has prior experience, and unless you have 1) More prior experience 2) Substantial ability to defend ones self outside of experience i.e. pepper spray etc. then you stand very little chance.

When I lived in CT two gentlemen got into a pissing match one guy was pushed who then tripped backwards and fell. Had a heart attack and died. The guy who pushed him was sentenced to man slaughter. There are countless cases where BA's go into a self defense situation and are killed, or regular joe's get into a fight and the other guy accidentally dies due to preexisting condition or what ever.

For me I know I can't account for all those variables. But I know that if I walk away I'll live, and live free. All the years of martial arts and wrestling in HS, and College won't mean shit in jail or if I'm dead. You can argue until the end of time about justice and courts blah blah blah, too many variables, for me.

 

[Ed.]

Your thinking is very naive.
Sure, if you are completely prepared to fight someone, no matter what unknown shit might happen (gun, knife, pepper spray, guy who actually knows how to fight, eye gouging, biting, head smashing concrete, etc.) then by all means, challenge away. I'm not willing to do that unless I or my loved ones are being physically threatened.

It's not about balls. If you think not backing down from some fixie douchebag on the street is all about balls, then you obviously haven't faced many truly challenging things in life.
Balls are what it takes to know that minor bullshit confrontations are not worth losing teeth or breaking bones or hurting some poor skinny PBR drinker over. Sometimes it takes balls (and smarts) to walk away.

There are so many things that can go wrong in a streetfight, for either party, that you really need to be prepared to fight for your life. Personally, I would feel really bad if I broke some hipster's arm over some bullshit. What would I do, laugh and go to work, leaving him writhing in the street? Great. What about if everything was going well for me and then he jabbed his finger in my eye, requiring surgery or something. How would I explain that to people, and my family, and my job? Oh, this asshole said he was going to fuck up my motorcycle when I parked, so I chased him down and beat the shit out of him until he jabbed me in the fucking eye.

You need a little perspective if you think that never backing down anytime someone verbally pisses you off is some sort of test of your manhood. Why don't you join an MMA or BJJ gym, learn how to fight, and spar with guys who also know how to fight. Put your huge balls to the test. Then next time some asshole pisses you off on the street, laugh and walk away, knowing you could defend yourself and probably kick his ass, but you DIDN'T HAVE TO because it was not a situation that called for a physical confrontation.

Yup you missed all of this thread. Read it all then post again. I hope that these excuses and what ifs help you accept you. What I hear you saying is that you are not prepared to accept a little/lot of pain. That is all fine, that is you. If you can live with it more power to you.

 

[blakefacente]

Yup you missed all of this thread. Read it all then post again. I hope that these excuses and what ifs help you accept you. What I hear you saying is that you are not prepared to accept a little/lot of pain. That is all fine, that is you. If you can live with it more power to you.

What I hear you saying is "I'm a fucking moron!"
End of trying to explain things in a logical way.

 

[nicebloke]

Yup you missed all of this thread. Read it all then post again.

And perhaps you missed all my posts in which I described in depth the situation - at no point was physical interaction even possible, so all this blustering about street fighting is somewhat off-topic, given that I was coming to my BARF brethren looking for some relevant advice.

Let's pretend you receive a letter with no return address and no other way of identifying the sender, that simply says "I know where you park your motorcycle and I'm going to destroy it". What do you do now? Perhaps that might give you a better idea of the situation I found myself in yesterday morning.

 

[Human Ills]

And perhaps you missed all my posts in which I described in depth the situation - at no point was physical interaction even possible, so all this blustering about street fighting is somewhat off-topic, given that I was coming to my BARF brethren looking for some relevant advice.

Let's pretend you receive a letter with no return address and no other way of identifying the sender, that simply says "I know where you park your motorcycle and I'm going to destroy it". What do you do now? Perhaps that might give you a better idea of the situation I found myself in yesterday morning.

So what did you end up doing? Update, please.