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Dealer tricked me - how did they do it?

It's amazing how many people are willing to hide the dealer. The next person that will be buying from there, this is their re-search.
We complain of corruption and hide it at the same time. They gave you your money back because they were caught, not because they are solid people.
In life when you have played and been screwed over, benefit of the doubt is for the birds. You either see what's going on, or they will push you over in plausible deniability. Inexperience calls it benefit of the doubt, meaning you got screwed and are doubting where it came from.
 
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That dealer deserves a review and their name on here. Next time they will think before pulling a stunt like that. And will have to go out of their way to acknowledge the review with their other customers. Consequences stop actions like that, not hopes and prayers or plausible deniability.
 
You guys are all ready to out the dealer and you don't know what happened.
OP performed a 600 mile service at 300 miles.
Spun an oil drain plug without looking to see what was wrong.
Brought it to the dealer, who fixed it but the OP wasn't happy without knowing exactly what the dealer did to fix the issue.
OP got his money back for some reason. Maybe the dealer thought, eff this guy. He's a PITA and we just want to get rid of him.
OP never found out what the dealer did. I wouldn't walk out the door without knowing this.
 
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You guys are all ready to out the dealer and you don't know what happened.
OP performed a 600 mile service at 300 miles.
Spun an oil drain plug without looking to see what was wrong.
Brought it to the dealer, who fixed it but the OP wasn't happy without knowing exactly what the dealer did to fix the issue.
OP got his money back for some reason. Maybe the dealer thought, eff this guy. He's a PITA and we just want to get rid of him.
OP never found out what the dealer did. I wouldn't walk out the door without knowing this.

agree....we're only getting one side of the story and that's from a guy who (from what I've read) isn't very mechanically inclined.
 
You guys are all ready to out the dealer and you don't know what happened.
OP performed a 600 mile service at 300 miles.
Spun an oil drain plug without looking to see what was wrong.
Brought it to the dealer, who fixed it but the OP wasn't happy without knowing exactly what the dealer did to fix the issue.
OP got his money back for some reason. Maybe the dealer thought, eff this guy. He's a PITA and we just want to get rid of him.
OP never found out what the dealer did. I wouldn't walk out the door without knowing this.

Reread the original post. He brought the bike home and the next morning it had a huge puddle under it.
 
I read the post as the OP bought the bike with 300 miles on it, then he reached the first service interval and trailered it in for its first service and that’s where things went sideways. I agree with outing the dealer or at least provide the VIN so future buyer will have a chance at doing their “due diligence”. Cause I’m sure everyone is inspecting every fastener on a new bike before purchase.
 
I asked the dealer to do the break-in ( 600 mile ) service, because it still had ~10 month of factory warranty on it. I usually do this on my vehicles myself, except when they are under still factory warranty to avoid the situation that warranty claims potentially get denied because it was not serviced by an authorized dealer.

In this particular case, the break-in service was done on the same day before I even got the bike ( called dealer in the morning, asked if they can throw in the service, they agreed and did the service, I picked the bike up in the afternoon ). I don't think ~300 miles more or less matter and I didn't want to go back to the dealer a few days later and pay ~$150 or so for the service.

But yes - in hindsight - I probably would be a happy bike owner without having asked for the service...
 
You guys are all ready to out the dealer and you don't know what happened.
OP performed a 600 mile service at 300 miles.
Spun an oil drain plug without looking to see what was wrong.
Brought it to the dealer, who fixed it but the OP wasn't happy without knowing exactly what the dealer did to fix the issue.
OP got his money back for some reason. Maybe the dealer thought, eff this guy. He's a PITA and we just want to get rid of him.
OP never found out what the dealer did. I wouldn't walk out the door without knowing this.
The fly in the soup was the dealer trying to pretend that there had been nothing wrong with the bike.
 
The fact that the dealer took the bike back, and so quickly/easily, tells me something hinky was going on.
 
First of all, why is it ok to fool the customer? Why didn't they just own up to the plug being stripped and helped them customer understand that the repair is common practice?

I never said nor implied that "it is ok to fool the customer". Obviously it is not okay to fool customers. It is not worth it to play any silly games that can damage customer relationships, as most times this damage is irreparable.

With the OP's recent post in mind, we can not be certain of what went on between the service writer and the technician. I would find this strange, but say it was an inexperienced tech, it is possible he messed up the drain pan threads and just tried forcing the drain plug, crossthreading it. This isn't an overall dealer issue, its a technician issue.

Secondly, how are you so certain your comment is the BEST and the thread should be closed?

Based on the information that is currently available to us, OP bought a new bike, saw a problem, had issue with mechanic, not the sales team, so this quote:

- The dealer never admitted the wrong doing. I'm also not upset that it happened ( we're all human ), but I think the way it was handled by their mechanic was ridiculous. If he would've explained to me e.g. what a helicoil is and how it is installed etc I could've made my peace with it. Maybe he just wanted to save his / a colleagues face for screwing it up in the first place.

- Not mentioning the dealership name here. I'm not out for "internet revenge", just wanted to learn how they could fix it so quickly. Also the sales team was professional about it saying "You're not happy, here is your check".

Third, do you work for the dealership in question here and do you lie to your customers as casually as the OP explained he was lied to?

I do not actually. My first sales job was at a motorcycle dealer a few years back. My last job I worked in a car dealership as a technician, working on the cars. Seeing it from both perspectives, communication is a very critical component of the customer service cycle. When I was selling bikes, techs were very happy with me as I was able to physically communicate with them any customer concerns that were present, as trying to relay the information to service through the desk writer was almost always guaranteed to get lost somehow. I even took the extra effort to help guide my customers with parts and gear recommendations based on my riding experience. And I have never ever lied to any of my customers, I always helped explain what every fee was from on the total price and would always research the bikes we sold as well as the competitors so that I could be accurate with my assistance.

Going from sales into servicing cars was very interesting to experience because the two departments are almost strangers to each other. Even my old general manager told me I was continually praised in their service advisor meetings because I was great at communicating with them when I found issues with customer's cars all the time. I even used to have a coworker that was newer to us but had "experience". This tech was terrible, there would be some cars that would come back because of an oil leak, and we find the drain plug is only finger tight and this guy worked on it last. He's damaged sideskirts with his 2 post lift, would pull and fill brake fluid out of the reservoir until it's clean, which I called him out for. He even got promoted from maintenance to repair, and a comeback happened on a truck brake job, where again, every caliper bolt was finger tight. No matter what we said to the service director, nothing ever happened to this guy. It wasn't until after I left that he got a dui and they had no other choice but to separate him from the company.

So that is why I believe the dealer in question should not be ousted, and that for everyone be thorough inspecting your next vehicle purchase to insure a safe and reliable purchase.
 
So who does bad technicians work for?

And whose responsibility is it for verifying that tech's work is done properly on customer vehicles?

From customer's perspective, whose fault is it when repairs are done incorrectly?

For example, if bad tech drops customer car off lift, who ends up paying for damages?
 
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In my opinion, dealerships are "supposed" to be the one-stop-shop, where you can 100% trust you are whole. No knowledge needed, no stress expected, worry-free, and you should be able to leave extremely happy...

Isn't that why the price of a new vehicle is so expensive?

Same can be said about the high costs for repairs at the dealership. Every mom and pop shop, uses dealership rates as a comparison to justify their costs. That common saying, "You get what you paid for."

I also thought this forum was a community to help other motorcyclists... but I'm getting the notion that people are just trying to discredit the OP and protect egos and businesses that may/may not be bad for business...

Regardless, dealerships are not as reliable as we grew up thinking they were. Nowadays, you have to have mechanical knowledge, or be willing to "eat-the-cost" of a screw up... The credibility of dealerships is depreciating and the costs to buy new or get perfect service keeps rising. No integrity, just clever lies and fancy engineered facilities...
 
I don't know why you keep circling back to lying being some prevalent issue in every dealership, that is simply not the case. Before I worked in the dealerships, I had zero experience with them in general, instead reading everything surrounding "stealerships" on online forums. This gave me unfavorable bias towards dealerships until I worked within them and learned about it from the inside out.

The reality is that these dealerships are a huge convenience for customers who need things done quickly in terms of sales and service. Sure, you yourself can go buy some used vehicle online, but you have to take care of the dmv stuff on your own time, and depending on your technical knowledge, working on your own vehicle will take more time away as well. If you are someone that thinks all of this is too expensive at the dealership, then you value your money more than your time, and vice versa for people relying on the dealership to cover their needs. And sometimes issues like what the OP went through happens, and the dealership's reputation hinges on how they rectify problems. Based on what we already know, OP had a problem, wasn't happy with how the technician was acting, sales understood this frustration and rectified that situation with a refund. Would you rather the dealership keep the money and tell this guy tough luck with a botched job? If that were the case then this would be an entirely different thread. OP simply wants to know how they did it.

And this community does help other motorcyclists. However, we simply do not have enough info to just oust a unfavorable dealership. OP only has 3 posts in this thread and we don't even have any pictures of what the OP was seeing under his bike. Until OP gives us something like some pictures or the VIN of the bike, then there is no reason to grab your pitchfork.
 
- Not mentioning the dealership name here. I'm not out for "internet revenge", just wanted to learn how they could fix it so quickly. Also the sales team was professional about it saying "You're not happy, here is your check".

:cool
 
Could it be an oversized plug. Good thing you did not keep the bike.

As for the dealer...it does not matter if the technician was new or inexperienced or whatever. The least they could do is to accept the mistake and explain to the customer what happened.

I don’t usually take my bike to dealerships or shops in part because they don’t like to own their mistakes but rather blame them on the customer. Last time I had to take my front tire to the dealer to put a new one and they scratched the rim. At that point I was like OK, I am not going to cry for a little scratch but they did not even apologized when I mentioned it.
 
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If you want things done correctly, take it to the dealer.[/QUOTE]

Back in the day I bought a brand new XL500R. from the dealership in Corte Madera. It leaked oil from the rocker box in about 1,000 miles. I brought it back for warranty work, which was going to take one day. When it was not done I asked why. The mechanic stripped almost every 6MM bolt hole in the head torquing the rocker box. You would have thought he would have figured out what he was doing wrong after one or two. They pulled the head and had all the holes Helicoiled.

I do most my own work except rebuilding automatic transmissions in autos. If you know what to look for, most dealerships will disappoint you.
 
If you want things done correctly, take it to the dealer.

Back in the day I bought a brand new XL500R. from the dealership in Corte Madera. It leaked oil from the rocker box in about 1,000 miles. I brought it back for warranty work, which was going to take one day. When it was not done I asked why. The mechanic stripped almost every 6MM bolt hole in the head torquing the rocker box. You would have thought he would have figured out what he was doing wrong after one or two. They pulled the head and had all the holes Helicoiled.

I do most my own work except rebuilding automatic transmissions in autos. If you know what to look for, most dealerships will disappoint you.[/QUOTE]
I think I know which one you're talking about, went to one in the 90's in Corte Madera when I lived there. Dirtiest shop in a dealership I've ever seen.
 
I don't know why you keep circling back to lying being some prevalent issue in every dealership, that is simply not the case.

(snip)

Until OP gives us something like some pictures or the VIN of the bike, then there is no reason to grab your pitchfork.

Some of us have had enough bad experience with dealerships and manufacturers trying to pull incredibly shady and underhanded bullshit that when we read OP's post we found the concept of a motorcycle dealership deciding to roll the dice on a botched service repair hoping the customer wouldn't notice as totally plausible.

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Your experience may vary, mine says never trust a dealership.
 
Some of us have had enough bad experience with dealerships and manufacturers trying to pull incredibly shady and underhanded bullshit that when we read OP's post we found the concept of a motorcycle dealership deciding to roll the dice on a botched service repair hoping the customer wouldn't notice as totally plausible.

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Your experience may vary, mine says never trust a dealership.

What I am trying to explain is that not every dealership is shady and taking advantage of their customers. And based on your picture, it looks more like a manufacturer problem rather than a dealership (and yes, I read the part about your bad experience with dealerships and manufacturers).

The dealership exists as a convenience for a majority of it's customers, and rely on positive customer service in order to maintain the relationship between dealer and customer, so that you will buy the bike from them, parts, gear, and service the bike with them, even possibly buying another bike from them when you upgrade. You can do everything on your own online to save a couple bucks? Cool. The folks in your dealer can actually assist you with finding random parts, trying on gear, etc etc.

If your dealership experience was so bad that your trust is broken for every single dealership around, then all that tells me is that whoever was taking care of your dealer needs failed you. Somebody has to buy a car or bike brand new from a dealership eventually, as manufacturers want to insure that a high quality product is delivered to every customer, and they aren't going to deliver vehicles from factory to your home anytime soon, if at all.
 
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