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DMV moto test is a scam

Why is it so hard to pass the moto test, but so easy to passt he drivers test, wtf
 
It sucked doing the circle on my old '00 ZX-6R at steering lock. Had to leave the clutch out, at steering lock, and used the front brake to make any adjustments.
 
Cali said:
It sucked doing the circle on my old '00 ZX-6R at steering lock. Had to leave the clutch out, at steering lock, and used the front brake to make any adjustments.
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Pretty sure you know wtf you are doing but that sounds like an Rx for folding the front and landing on yer face. :confused
 
I took the MSF course as opposted to doing the DMV test, I'm glad I did the skills learned is always used. Sharp slow speed u turns I still feather the clutch and do it often if necessary at low speeds. Can't really coment on others but honnestly I think is would be better to go the class route. But if you can do the DMV test then congratz!!
 
beginner said:
If you're asking me, unfortunately I'm off the bike for some days so it's going to be a while before that video get's made but I'll make it and you'll see what it looks like.
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Did you crash trying to do the keyhole? And if so...is it on tape? :nerd
 
ScottRNelson said:
What is it with all of the foreigners anyway? :p
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:shocker I used to drive a set of doubles over 17 to Watsonville every day. AND run 84 to the ocean on a GS550 for fun on the weekends...

I believe I fit the "expatriated" group. :twofinger

And I think the test was about the same in 81 when I took it...I don't remember well...but '81 thru 84 are a bit of a blur...
 
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CaptCrash said:
Did you crash trying to do the keyhole? And if so...is it on tape? :nerd
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eddiet204's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MiA3EIJ4RM posted earlier is the one I thought I would try to make to show how hard it is to circle the bike going so slow. His video gets the job done. The rider circles the bike slow much better than I can do but you can still appreciate how hard it is. To judge the speed imagine walking along side the bike, I see a slow walk.

I dropped the bike off road and got a bruise that should not be reinjured, there's 4 inches of rain on the trails, and the bike could use some shop time. Perfect time for a few days off the infernal machine.

Motorcycle: A two wheel motor vehicle for transportation between trouble spots.
 
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Kornholio said:
Slow race speeds are obviously not a walking speed though.
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And that points to one of the places where folks get pissy about how to do it! IF speed is key, there should be an 'objective measure'. Every examiner has a preconceived notion of what 'walking pace' is. IF speed is vitally important to the keyhole it should be TIMED with a minimum and maximum time to complete it.

...you know that math stuff...speed = distance/time...I think...or do you use Pi to calculate that?

Best Pi for calculations: Blackberry!

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stan23 said:
That will make no difference.. Clearance from the grip to the tank is not the issue. It's the lack of turning radius from lock to lock.

The Monster has like 3 degrees of movement. :rofl
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ScottRNelson said:
We seem to have a lot of BARF members who think that it's just a matter of practice on ANY sportbike and you can pass the DMV keyhole test. I keep trying to explain that there are a few bikes out there, older Ducatis in particular, that have such a limited turning radius that it is virtually impossible for a normal rider to pass the test on one no matter how much they practice. I've had my Ducati ST2 since 2003, have put a lot of miles on it, and often practice slow-speed riding on it, but I still can't pass the DMV keyhole test on it. And I'm willing to bet that there aren't even 10% of BARF members who could pass the test on one, or on a Monster. For the record, I had no problem at all on my XR650 the very first time I went over to the DMV keyhole and tried to do the full exercise.

I'm just tired of people like you who think it has to be possible, because you can do it on your Kawasaki. And I'm going to keep calling people on it when they make that claim. I'm not "cherry picking" here, I'm trying to call out EVERY poster who doesn't want to admit that some bikes can't turn that sharp. And I've offered an opportunity for a few of you to find out for yourself, if you really don't believe it.

My point is that if you still believe that it shouldn't be that hard on a Ducati, come show us. Otherwise, stop making a claim that you can't back up.
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I had this long rant about...


...oh fuck it, Scott and Stan KNOW what they are talking about, the rest of you don't. Sometimes it's like a huge gang of Shervins around here.:laughing
 
CaptCrash said:
Did you crash trying to do the keyhole? And if so...is it on tape?
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Crash, I went to the parking lot after all, intending to video a slow ride circle. It was so bad I gave up. I made this video instead, of a figure 8 against a wall. I never practiced this, just tried it every few months to see if I was ready. Today was the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1jqMzX--TE
 
:facepalm I was afraid this would turn away from the DMV keyhole...The figure 8 and the Keyhole share very little in common--if we were discussing the MSF Box then figure 8s would be a reasonable thing to compare with.

THIS is just that same ol' same ol'. :deadhorse

Part of the challenge of the Keyhole is that you have to make a complete circle--1 1/2 if you're counting--the challenge of the complete circle is avoiding getting 'sucked down the hole'. Meaning, as you do the circle you feel like you're falling inward because unless you feather the clutch OR have excellent throttle control you tend to slow down. Then, because the bike is leaned in slightly, and you're slowing, you feel like you're getting sucked down into the hole and you put a foot down to catch yourself. Putting a foot down is an automatic disqualification.

Doing figure 8's you power out and UP at the 120--180 point and therefore, don't get the feeling of getting sucked down into the hole.

Therefore: Figure 8s ain't gonna help you much with the keyhole.
 
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CaptCrash said:
Part of the challenge of the Keyhole is that you have to make a complete circle--1 1/2 if you're counting--the challenge of the complete circle avoiding getting 'sucked down the hole'. Meaning, as you do the circle you feel like you're falling inward because unless you feather the clutch OR have excellent throttle control you tend to slow down. Then, because the bike is leaned in slightly, and you're slowing, you feel like you're getting sucked down into the hole and you put a foot down to catch yourself. Putting a foot down is an automatic disqualification.

Doing figure 8's you power out and UP at the 120--180 point and therefore, don't get the feeling of getting sucked down into the hole.

Therefore: Figure 8s ain't gonna help you much with the keyhole.
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Use figure 8s to practice circles by doing one or two circles before reversing direction. Add a circle or two in a Uturn and you're practicing one of the DMZ tests. Learn to do turning practice without clutch or brakes and you can do long sessions without a lot of wear and tear on clutch plates and brake pads.
 
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Crash, I went to the parking lot after all, intending to video a slow ride circle. It was so bad I gave up.
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beginner said:
Use figure 8s to practice circles by doing one or two circles before reversing direction. Add a circle or two in a Uturn and you're practicing one of the DMZ tests. Learn to do turning practice without clutch or brakes and you can do long sessions without a lot of wear and tear on clutch plates and brake pads.
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So........you can't do a slow circle but you're giving advice on how to?
 
Actually, posting video of BAD circles would be informative--I'm banking you are getting sucked down into the hole just after the 180 point which is really, really normal. It could be instructive for other riders to see your path and where it goes wrong.

OH, and a DMZ is a "De-Militarized Zone"...a DMV is a Department of Motor Vehicles.
 
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CaptCrash said:
Actually, posting video of BAD circles would be informative--I'm banking you are getting sucked down into the hole just after the 180 point which is really, really normal. It could be instructive for other riders to see your path and where it goes wrong.

OH, and a DMZ is a "De-Militarized Zone"...a DMV is a Department of Motor Vehicles.
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At 2 mph the bike will lean, and the front wheel will turn, to both sides of zero degrees, to stay balanced and keep moving, even on a curved path. That's slow riding. A bike is turning when lean and steering angle stay on the same side of zero degrees, start to finish (drifting is an exception). The DMV circles are turning tests, not slow riding tests. I'm better at turning than slow riding.
 
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