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Doc Wong Recommendations on Wrist/Hand/Finger problems while riding

DocWong

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Harry Wong
Several riders have been asking me about wrist problems while riding, here are my recommendations:

I find that wrist, hand or finger problems such as pain, numbness, tingling or swelling come from two major sources.

One would be equipment or riding position problems and the other would be actual problems of the wrist that are triggered by poor equipment or riding position.

Poor equipment would include things like:

1. Gloves the wrong size, cutting off circulation.
2. Handle bars at a wrong vertical (too low) location and you're commuting on the bike.
3. Handle bars at a wrong horizontal (forward-backward) angle putting pressure on your wrists.
3. Missing bar end weight making the bars vibrate more.
4. Suspension not set up correctly, transferring the jarring into your wrists.

Poor riding position usually takes the form of:

1. Just laying on the handle bars, especially on sportbikes, whcih puts pressure on your wrists. If you commute on your sportbike and have a tendency to put pressure on your wrists, you can try using a tall enough tank bag to rest your chest on for those rides.
2. Gripping the hand grips too tight. You only need just enough pressure on the grips to just keep the throttle from closing.

For rides thru twisty roads, there's no need to put pressure on your wrists or grip tight while riding. In fact this is unsafe and detrimental to the stable control of your bike around corners. So to take pressure off your wrists, learn how to anchor your lower body on the bike, making it unnecessary to put any pressure on the handlebars. My monthly Doc Wong Riding Clinics cover this topic along with other key riding techniques.

You would have to make pretty big errors in equipment or riding to really cause problems with your wrists, hand or fingers, so most riders I see actually have actual wrist problems which are triggered by the above.

Actual wrist problems include:

1. The mis-alignment of the wrist bones which puts some pressure on the soft and tender tendons, blood vessels and nerves on the bottom side of your wrists.

2. Problems in the neck. I've been finding that a lot of wrist problems also involve problems with the neck also. I've found many riders with a pinched nerve in their neck that affects the wrist. This is called "Double-Crush Syndrome" involving pinched nerves in the neck and wrist.

3. Repetitive stress or strain from overuse from keyboarding and then riding incorrectly. Even in these cases, the person has wrist problems because he/she was predisposed to wrist problems from the above.

Of course when the symptoms get bad enough, it's called Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

If you've been prone to wrist pain or know you have wrist problems such as Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, feel free to e-mail me at: docwong@aol.com for a free exam and evaluation. If it's just the wrong riding position, ride down to my office in your bike and I'll check you out on your riding positon.

Doc Wong
www.docwong.com
office: 650-365-7775
 
Hi Doc,
Good advice, but I have one idea to add. I have had sore wrists from riding and from working on a computer all the time. I started doing exercises to strengthen my wrists and the soreness has gone away. I use a 15 lb. dumbbell and do wrist curls and extensions (not sure if that is technically the right name). 15 lb. may be too much to start for some people, but I sit on the end of the bench with my forearm supported and palm facing up and do curls with the wrist. Then turn palm down and lift the dumbbell up with my wrist in an extension-type move. (THis direction is more difficult for me.)

Once I started doing these exercises for a few weeks or so, my wrist problems went away. Maybe others might have some luck with also.
 
Great feedback! Yes, if the symptoms feel better with exercise, then the problem was simply out of shape arm muscles!

Doc
 
I've had wrist problems (tendonitis mostly) for a number of years - tried physical therapy, drugs (perscribed!), etc, without good results. Finally started stretching out my wrists (using stretches taught in our martial art). Since then, I haven't had any major flare-ups, and the minor ones went away quickly.

I swear by it now. They used to get so bad I couldn't use my arm - one time my entire lower arm, wrist, and hand swelled up like a balloon from it. Now, no more problems!
 
I recently discovered another very helpful set of exercises for reducing wrist problems and lower back too. Kind of a funky cool web site that leads you through these exercises at www.desk-trainer.com

It is a subscription site, but they offer a free trial and it is cheap. Worth it for me.
 
wrist /neck problems

hey,
i didnt know this was so common. i have a pinched nerve in my neck and so it gets sore on long rides. also i wake up every morning with swollen, sore and simultainiously really numb hands. its gotten worse over the last week or so-about the time i begin spending hours on the computer every night. hmmm. seems you covered all the bases. how about that exam for riding postion?
 
Position of the controls

I have heard that it also helps to rotate your brake and clutch lever downward so that you do not have to bend your wrists so much when operating the controls. Have you heard of this before? Of course you have to be careful with the rotation to make sure they do no9t foul on the fairings or other parts of the bike from lock to lock.
I tried it at the track and found I had a lot less problems with arm pump having those levers properly aligned.
 
The position of your clutch and brake lever will depend on your riding position. Ideally, the lever will be at the same level as your wrist so that your arm, wrist and fingers are all in alignment when you pull the lever.
 
I've had wrist problems (tendonitis mostly) for a number of years - tried physical therapy, drugs (perscribed!), etc, without good results. Finally started stretching out my wrists (using stretches taught in our martial art). Since then, I haven't had any major flare-ups, and the minor ones went away quickly.

I swear by it now. They used to get so bad I couldn't use my arm - one time my entire lower arm, wrist, and hand swelled up like a balloon from it. Now, no more problems!


Hey HtChic I have some serious pain in my wrists even after/during a ride, what kind of stretches do you do to help your wrist problems?
 
Wrist?

I wonder if this is the reason my wrist bothers me so much:
right-wrist-1.jpg
 
What about a wrist support. It helped me.

Hi,

I have two motorbikes, one is my trusty Honda Transalp XL650-V6 which I use for touring most of Europe and the other is a Honda CBR600RR which is an awesome motorbike but used to cause me real pain in my wrists. At first I just ignored is but the more I rode that my CBR600RR the more painful my wrists became.

Luckily for me I also own a company that supplies all sorts of joint supports to the medical profession so I popped into the warehouse and took two wrist supports. I tried them on a trip from Buxted to Cornwall (which is about 350 miles).

Normally after about 20 minutes on the bike my wrists would start to ache and after an hour I'd just have to stop. With my wrist supports on I found I'd stop at the filling station and still have no pain whatsoever.

I go on loads of ride outs with a group of about 20 mates and many of the riders with the more sporty bikes swear by them, some also use my lower back supports too.

I'm not trying to advertise my company here, more help out a fellow biker. If the link gets deleted just do a Google search for lastrap and look for my web site.

The link to my company is www.lastrap.co.uk

If you do decide to buy one I'd be interested to hear your opinion.

My kindest regards
Richard Georgiou
Buxted
UK
 
Normally after about 20 minutes on the bike my wrists would start to ache and after an hour I'd just have to stop. With my wrist supports on I found I'd stop at the filling station and still have no pain whatsoever.

May I suggest that you use your body and not your hands and wrists to support your weight? As you can clearly see in the image I posted earlier in this thread, I probably have no right to be riding a motorcycle after a catastrophic injury such as that. But the fact is, if you ride using the proper technique, you shouldn't have to be concerned about wrist issues in the first place.

I am sure your little wrist strap things are wonderful, but I find your posting a little suspicious. Since when does someone join BARF, then conveniently post up some product you just happened to have a financial interest in?
 
yes, i too am a victim of chronic shoulder pain, from mousing @ work and riding, but i found that doing shoulder workouts help alleviate the pain. I still have some pain, but not as bad when it first started...

However, i still suffer from numbing hands, sore wrists, and a stiffining neck from riding (sport bike)...I find that doing wrist/neck stretches @ stoplights helps out a lot. Maybe i'll come by to a clinic LoL
 
I found my hands didn't go numb as quickly when I started using thigh pressure on the tank instead of hanging onto the bars as my way of holding onto the bike.
 
I would add something to the wrist curl.. if you want to maximize them for moto control and endurance. I did this religiously when racing.

Using a light dumbell or curl bar (machine is OK) you follow this routine. It give a great pump to the arms and changes the muscle structure in action.

First
Regular reverse curl with a decent weight where you can do at least 20 reps.
quick rest ~ Repeat.
Lower the weight slightly.. now extend the index finger and repeat twice with a quick rest in between. 20 reps each or more.
Lower weight again and now extend the index and middle finger (similar to two finger braking) repeat twice with a quick rest in between. 20 reps each or more.
Keep the same weight and again use all of the fingers with the same repetition.

This helps provide strength and endurance for how you really use your hands/wrist/arms when doing the moto in an aggressive fashion.

I broke/dislocated my wrist at 21 doing the MX thing and I added this piece to my rehab with the thumbup from my therapist.

Take it easy with the weight.

:smoking
 
I've been a paper pushing, sitting at a computer for 8 hours a day desk jockey since 1997.
I've had tingling in the hands and sore wrists when riding my bike since 2000.
A SV650S and 900SS. Both V-twins. The Duc vibrates a lot more.
I really don't have problems in my wrists from work or gaming (FPS games FTW!).
After attending DocWong's ergo class, I can ride all day long without any tingling in the hands and no wrists problems!

If anyone is having any of the above symptoms, I highly suggest attending Doc's ergo class!
 
I found my hands didn't go numb as quickly when I started using thigh pressure on the tank instead of hanging onto the bars as my way of holding onto the bike.

Great example of using improved technique to solve what otherwise seems like a physical and/or conditioning problem.

I had a student at Infineon yesterday who had sprained his wrist a few days before coming to the school. Yesterday was the second day of a two day camp and he was hurting to the point that he didn't think he was going to be able to ride more than a couple of sessions. He had injured his left hand and, while he was doing a good job of keeping weight off his hands while braking, the clutch pull was killing him.

I asked him if he'd be able to make it through the day if he didn't have to use the clutch. He said he thought so. I taught him first to upshift and later to downshift without the clutch. It made such a difference that he forgot about his wrist. He was riding faster and in more control than ever by the day's end.

Sometimes it's just like the old doctor's joke:

"It hurts when I do this."

"Stop doing that."
 
Using your body to aleviate wrist ache.

Hi Motorama,

To be honest I'm reasonably new to riding on roads as I only got my license a couple of years ago and am used to motocross. The Transalp is nice and easy and doesn't give me any aches anywhere but the 600RR hurts my wrists. I'm not entirely sure about what you mean when you say use your body but I assume you mean hold the weight with your back. Next time I go out on the 600RR I'll not take my supports and try to hold the weight off my wrists using my back and see how it goes. I'm pretty fit so was quite suprised when I got a few aches here and there, however the 600RR is quite an extreme riding position.

Thanks for the advise, I'll report back. (Will probably be a while as it's freezing here in the UK at the moment!)

Kindest regards
Richard
Buxted
UK
 
One of the things I notice in the office environment is the tendency for people to turtle toward their computer screens: they move their head closer to the moniter by leaning forward. I believe this puts stress on just a couple of shoulder muscles trying to hold up the head, instead of using the entire structure of the the neck, shoulders and back to support the head. This leads to shoulder probelms that leads to wrist problems, when combined with a sedintary life style this can become debilitating.

I think if one sits up straight when at the computer and strenthens their core and upper body muscles through exercise and stretching: you can aleviate a lot wrist and shoulder problems.
 
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