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Freeway speeds lately?

I don't care how fast people are going, as long as they dont block the left lane
 
Just looked at Google maps, accident and 10 min delay on 101 north in Mill Valley area. Sunday 8AM. Average drivers seem to be highly unskilled.
 
If I had to describe driving the East Bay in one word it would be uncivilized.
 
Would love to see these parts of the Bay that you're talking about. 9 out of 10 South Bay driver's struggle to even do 10 under the speed limit on all roads. It's an absolute joke
 
Not to turn this thread into something else but I need to comment on the driving ability of drivers in the city as well. Speed is not so much the issue as is a lack of civility, and at least partial adherence to the law.
For example, I live in Pleasanton near an elementary school, the main street I live by is two lanes with a median strip. Each lane has a wide bicycle lane clearly marked. Every morning there are parents waiting in line to drop off their kids and there are always a few who cut into the bicycle lane and speed up to the front to drop off their kiddos. I could post many more examples.
And what's happening more and more around town are folks who go their phones at stop lights and don't see that the light has turned green without a wake up honk.
 
This is 100% truth. Our new MDX will sit an 85mph and feel like it’s 45mph. Contrarily, my little 1990 Toyota pickup at 75mph feels like warp speed.

The irony in the Bay Area is the roads are so bad, doing 90mph in an SUV is easier than doing it in a sports car.
 
This is 100% truth. Our new MDX will sit an 85mph and feel like it’s 45mph. Contrarily, my little 1990 Toyota pickup at 75mph feels like warp speed.

My Land Rover has recently received an upgrade, and is now capable of 72MPH on level ground, and it's terrifying at that speed. Meanwhile, 80mph in my Super Duty is comfortable and quiet.
 
You say that, but in the last 2 weeks of commuting to the South Bay to hike with the dog I've seen 3 CHP speed traps on 280 SB and 1 NB where the officer actually got someone. I do think there could use to be a little bit more enforcement (I know, as a motorcyclist)...

And it is the arbitrary nature of speed law enforcement that is most troubling to me as far as CHP is concerned. I can be travelling at the same speed down 280 south of SF (typically 75-80 depending on conditions and traffic) for years then get popped one day for doing nothing different. The only result of this is increased insurance rates and a few bucks in their coffers, especially after witnessing the CHP moto cop in is 85 mph tailgating routine I mentioned earlier. Hypocrisy much?

Dan
 
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I love these kinds of topics and have my own theories about the cause. Here is my totally-not-an-expert idea about traffic and driving in the area. Based on decades of driving and reading the responses of people replying to post/comments that relate to driving.

I believe there are a few types of drivers on the road (each with varying levels of characteristics from mild to extreme) and on any given day, many of us can be in one or more of these categories:

- The "Average driver": not offensive, doesn't do anything particularly good/bad, not particularly annoying or ingratiating. They're basically NPC of the driving world.

- The Oblivious driver: does not recognize that their driving affects other people, sometimes doesn't understand that there are other people on the road. The people lane change recklessly, don't merge at the proper speeds, and doesn't look at what's going on around them. Often these are the left lane campers... they'll look at you, bewildered if you angrily pass them on the right when, in their mind, they're "just going the speed limit in the left lane... it's the maximum speed, I can go, right??". These people are every bit as dangerous as reckless drivers b/c their obliviousness means they really don't see bikes... ever

- The Active drivers: Typically prefer to drive faster than average. Likes to be in the fast lane but moves over if being overtaken. Can be considered an aggressive driver b/c they don't have patience to wait for oblivious drivers to make a decision or safely participate in the current driving conditions (eg, the oblivious driver is often the one pulling out of a lane doing 15mph into a lane doing 50mph without looking for much faster cars behind them)

- The Crazy driver: a scary mix of the last 2. Drives fast/aggressively but is oblivious to what others are doing around them or how their driving affects those around them. These people rage the most and rage easily. They'll camp in the left lane doing 66mph and make sure you can't pass them or will rage when you do. They often drive erratically.

I think what's going on is the result of what happens when you don't do a good job of teaching people proper road etiquette and Active drivers become sick of dealing with Passive and Crazy drivers. Active drivers may not be "better" drivers but they're most likely (IMO) the safest drivers. They know they'e breaking the law so they pay the most attention and are respectful to other drivers when possible, so as not to draw attention to themselves. Over many years, the growing number of Oblivious drivers has pushed Active drivers into Crazy driver territory. Increasing overall average speed and decreasing the politeness of traffic in general.

/Half-baked, quarter-serious rambling about the state of traffic.
 
And it is the arbitrary nature of speed law enforcement that is most troubling to me as far as CHP is concerned. I can be travelling at the same speed down 280 south of SF (typically 75-80 depending on conditions and traffic) for years then get popped one day for doing nothing different. The only result of this is increased insurance rates and a few bucks in their coffers, especially after witnessing the CHP moto cop in is 85 mph tailgating routine I mentioned earlier. Hypocrisy much?

Dan

Dan, are you wondering why you don't get caught every time you speed. There are only so many LEO to patrol a given area and the CHP patrols all state roads, not just freeways. You shouldn't generalize all LEO because of one LEO who has a bad driving habit either. There are good people and bad people in this world and some of them are cops.
LEOs don't have to be actively giving out performance awards. Just the mere presence of a LEO slows traffic
 
I love these kinds of topics and have my own theories about the cause. Here is my totally-not-an-expert idea about traffic and driving in the area. Based on decades of driving and reading the responses of people replying to post/comments that relate to driving.

I believe there are a few types of drivers on the road (each with varying levels of characteristics from mild to extreme) and on any given day, many of us can be in one or more of these categories:

- The "Average driver": not offensive, doesn't do anything particularly good/bad, not particularly annoying or ingratiating. They're basically NPC of the driving world.

- The Oblivious driver: does not recognize that their driving affects other people, sometimes doesn't understand that there are other people on the road. The people lane change recklessly, don't merge at the proper speeds, and doesn't look at what's going on around them. Often these are the left lane campers... they'll look at you, bewildered if you angrily pass them on the right when, in their mind, they're "just going the speed limit in the left lane... it's the maximum speed, I can go, right??". These people are every bit as dangerous as reckless drivers b/c their obliviousness means they really don't see bikes... ever

- The Active drivers: Typically prefer to drive faster than average. Likes to be in the fast lane but moves over if being overtaken. Can be considered an aggressive driver b/c they don't have patience to wait for oblivious drivers to make a decision or safely participate in the current driving conditions (eg, the oblivious driver is often the one pulling out of a lane doing 15mph into a lane doing 50mph without looking for much faster cars behind them)

- The Crazy driver: a scary mix of the last 2. Drives fast/aggressively but is oblivious to what others are doing around them or how their driving affects those around them. These people rage the most and rage easily. They'll camp in the left lane doing 66mph and make sure you can't pass them or will rage when you do. They often drive erratically.

I think what's going on is the result of what happens when you don't do a good job of teaching people proper road etiquette and Active drivers become sick of dealing with Passive and Crazy drivers. Active drivers may not be "better" drivers but they're most likely (IMO) the safest drivers. They know they'e breaking the law so they pay the most attention and are respectful to other drivers when possible, so as not to draw attention to themselves. Over many years, the growing number of Oblivious drivers has pushed Active drivers into Crazy driver territory. Increasing overall average speed and decreasing the politeness of traffic in general.

/Half-baked, quarter-serious rambling about the state of traffic.

Nice, I like. :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup
 
This is overall a very cool discussion! Thanks everyone! I think the above post (sorry for not quoting), really does nail a lot of what's going on.
Not to sound too old, but I think a lot of the latest generation of car enthusiasts (kids these days) don't really understand the physics behind how fast they're driving or how close to the edge they are when they change lanes and whatnot. It may also be the affluence of the area, but I see what appear to be young kids driving rocketship new cars at absurd speeds with reckless abandon. I can't imagine they're trained competition drivers, yet they're in 400hp BMW's racing through traffic. It's almost the modern day equivalent of a 16 year old with a Hayabusa. They're the exception, and not the cause of the "90+ or GTFO" situation I'm experiencing lately, but they are another interesting aspect of driving culture that's unfamiliar to me.

I do know kids have always driven fast, but the availability of showroom floor 400hp cars now is new. I'm used to kids in brand new 250hp Mustangs and Camaros. Nowadays you get 300hp in a Camry.
 
This is overall a very cool discussion! Thanks everyone! I think the above post (sorry for not quoting), really does nail a lot of what's going on.
Not to sound too old, but I think a lot of the latest generation of car enthusiasts (kids these days) don't really understand the physics behind how fast they're driving or how close to the edge they are when they change lanes and whatnot. It may also be the affluence of the area, but I see what appear to be young kids driving rocketship new cars at absurd speeds with reckless abandon. I can't imagine they're trained competition drivers, yet they're in 400hp BMW's racing through traffic. It's almost the modern day equivalent of a 16 year old with a Hayabusa. They're the exception, and not the cause of the "90+ or GTFO" situation I'm experiencing lately, but they are another interesting aspect of driving culture that's unfamiliar to me.

I do know kids have always driven fast, but the availability of showroom floor 400hp cars now is new. I'm used to kids in brand new 250hp Mustangs and Camaros. Nowadays you get 300hp in a Camry.

I agree. I get the same feeling watching dangerous driving as I get when I'm riding on the track and some heroes fly by on the first lap in the morning. Except I don't see the freeway idiots crashed off the side of the road nearly enough for my internal sense of justice.:(
 
Dan, are you wondering why you don't get caught every time you speed. There are only so many LEO to patrol a given area and the CHP patrols all state roads, not just freeways. You shouldn't generalize all LEO because of one LEO who has a bad driving habit either. There are good people and bad people in this world and some of them are cops.
LEOs don't have to be actively giving out performance awards. Just the mere presence of a LEO slows traffic

Yeah I hear ya. And I agree.

Dan
 
This is overall a very cool discussion! Thanks everyone! I think the above post (sorry for not quoting), really does nail a lot of what's going on.
Not to sound too old, but I think a lot of the latest generation of car enthusiasts (kids these days) don't really understand the physics behind how fast they're driving or how close to the edge they are when they change lanes and whatnot. It may also be the affluence of the area, but I see what appear to be young kids driving rocketship new cars at absurd speeds with reckless abandon. I can't imagine they're trained competition drivers, yet they're in 400hp BMW's racing through traffic. It's almost the modern day equivalent of a 16 year old with a Hayabusa. They're the exception, and not the cause of the "90+ or GTFO" situation I'm experiencing lately, but they are another interesting aspect of driving culture that's unfamiliar to me.

I do know kids have always driven fast, but the availability of showroom floor 400hp cars now is new. I'm used to kids in brand new 250hp Mustangs and Camaros. Nowadays you get 300hp in a Camry.
Now turn back to the day we got our license, we were not much different. And some of the older guys are still raving about their V8s with 450 cu. inch.
 
bay area roads are too densely populated to allow a wide variety of speed differences.
It gets to sort of a critical mass during high traffic times, where we mix the fast crazies in with the slow clueless.

Cars with the capacity to accelerate at ridiculous speeds, have no features to attenuate the impulsive morons in the driver's seat.

Just yesterday, on a residential street in my SF neighborhood, 4 20somethings in an AMG MB took out 3 cars along Vicente St. The debris field looked like a jet airplane crash.
Looks like they had to be traveling something north of 70, next to a public park full of kids.

150k high-performance car plus 4 idiots = total chaos, and 2 persons in hospital.
 
They do seem higher than 5 years ago or so. People used to be scared to go over 80, now 85-90 isn’t that uncommon at certain spots/times. On a bike you’re almost doing 100 if you want to go a little faster than traffic....

I used to be a left lane guy in my car, now I find myself in the other lanes a lot more frequently including #3 or 4.
 
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