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Fz1 to CBR 1000rr or R1 ?

clutchslip said:
:wtf I have NEVER had an oil burning issue on the '04. The '08s are notorious for burning oil. While not as spritely has my '08, I don't find the '04 that big of a handling problem, anymore. Maybe mine is set-up better. Regardless, I didn't even think about selling it, until I thought it might work with this gent. Neither you, nor he, knows what I might ask for it. It could be half what the Ohlins parts alone are worth. But, we wouldn't want someone getting a liter track bike that cheap, now would we? I guess if I decide to get serious about selling this '04, it won't be on barf.
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Does this mean I'm not getting a friend deal on the 04? :x
 
How much are you going to spend? Does it need to be street able?
 
fubar929 said:
My 2011 GSX-R750 is the best street bike I've ever owned! The ergonomics are almost as couch-like as my CBR600F4 (with the footpeg brackets in the lowest position) and it has enough low-end power that I don't miss my 2003 FZ1. I especially don't miss the FZ1's parts-bin suspension and 70+ pounds of extra weight...
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You do understand that the GSXR 600 and 750 have identical suspension and chassis, right? I've put a lot of miles on GSXRs and F1,2,3 and 4 series on the track, ( having raced most of these) and I certainly would not compare the GSXR to any of the F series. They are couches (F series). Anyway, I'd certainly recommend anyone who is thinking about any bike to sit on one first.

I totally stand by my statement about the FZ1. Don't spend money on a bike that will get 90% street duty but is built for 90% track duty.
 
louemc said:
I'd say get the new R1, and street friendlyize it with Street Fighter handlebar conversion, when Spiegler gets the LSL kit out on the market.
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I don't think the OP plans on paying nearly $20K for the latest R1 and then spending additional money on a bar conversion kit. :laughing And besides, doesn't all that electronic nannery just get in the way for Real Riders? :p

fubar929 said:
The 750cc engine has a lot more low- and mid-range torque than a 600.
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Common misperception that the 750 is a torque monster compared to its smaller sibling. It has more upper-mid to top end power, and retains the 600's handling, but that's about it. Most riders are surprised that they need to spin it up nearly as much as the smaller mill to access the additional hp.

afm199 said:
I would not touch a 2004 generation CBR1000RR. Ever. Go for an 08 and get a bike that handles and does not have oil problems.
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Good luck with that. :laughing
 
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afm199 said:
You do understand that the GSXR 600 and 750 have identical suspension and chassis, right?
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Sure do. Given that nobody in this thread has mentioned the GSX-R600, WTF does that have to do with anything?

I've put a lot of miles on GSXRs and F1,2,3 and 4 series on the track, ( having raced most of these) and I certainly would not compare the GSXR to any of the F series. They are couches (F series).
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Have you ridden the latest-generation GSX-R? They're surprisingly comfortable compared to their competition. Much less extreme than the 2001 GSX-R I owned. Once I sell the FZ1, my 750 will be my new sport-touring bike!

Hooli said:
Common misperception that the 750 is a torque monster compared to its smaller sibling. It has more upper-mid to top end power, and retains the 600's handling, but that's about it. Most riders are surprised that they need to spin it up nearly as much as the smaller mill to access the additional hp.
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The 750 isn't a torque monster like a liter bike but it has noticeably more bottom-end than any 600cc-ish bike I've ridden, including the new Kawi 636 and the 675R. On the street, the 750 makes good power starting around 4-5K RPM as opposed to my F4 which needed to be screaming at 7-8K before it would go anywhere. Dyno charts I've seen say 55 lb-ft of torque for the 750 vs 44-45 lb-ft for the 600cc bikes. 636 and 675R have a 2-3 lb-ft advantage over the 600s.
 
Hooli said:
Common misperception that the 750 is a torque monster compared to its smaller sibling. It has more upper-mid to top end power, and retains the 600's handling, but that's about it. Most riders are surprised that they need to spin it up nearly as much as the smaller mill to access the additional hp.



Good luck with that. :laughing
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Correct, the first time I got my 750 on the track I was surprised at how much I had to keep the revs up. I expected it to leave corners like a literbike, but it needs rev.


I don't buy Honda:twofinger
Too many parts to remove when working on them

fubar929 said:
Sure do. Given that nobody in this thread has mentioned the GSX-R600, WTF does that have to do with anything?



Have you ridden the latest-generation GSX-R? They're surprisingly comfortable compared to their competition. Much less extreme than the 2001 GSX-R I owned. Once I sell the FZ1, my 750 will be my new sport-touring bike!



The 750 isn't a torque monster like a liter bike but it has noticeably more bottom-end than any 600cc-ish bike I've ridden, including the new Kawi 636 and the 675R. On the street, the 750 makes good power starting around 4-5K RPM as opposed to my F4 which needed to be screaming at 7-8K before it would go anywhere. Dyno charts I've seen say 55 lb-ft of torque for the 750 vs 44-45 lb-ft for the 600cc bikes. 636 and 675R have a 2-3 lb-ft advantage over the 600s.
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I own a late model 750. If your idea of good power is 4k on a 750, that's about 35 HP. On the track if you're not at 7-8k it's a dead hippo. An SV650 actually comes out of the hole better for the first 100 feet, and has better low rpm torque and HP.
 
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In 2013 we ran the top middleweight supersports against each other at Chuckwalla for Motorcycle USA. I had my bias going in and felt the R6 would dominate and the Suzuki's would suck and Kawi would be fun, but a bit of a mess. As it turned out, The R6 was ol' trusty and rock solid, but the GSX-R750 blew me away. My notes said it was the best for a street/ trackday rider and felt like an AMA supersport R6 in terms of engine. For some reason, the balance of that bike felt much better than the GSX-R600 and customary of Suzuki's, front master cylinder was a bit mushy feeling. Excellent bike none the less.

The R6 is solid, easy to ride fast and feels like a race bike right out of the box. A few parts on her and she's good to go. Solid bike.

The other bike that surprised me was the MV Agusta F3 675. A bit of a mess out of the box, I loved the sound, hated the auto blip (which sought to kill us each time you entered a corner), and the chassis on corner exits bound itself up a bit and sorted out once the power fell off...but I still loved that bike.

The 675R is a sexy little beast too. LOVED that bike too, but you had to shift the shit out of it all the time. The power band was too narrow. My race bikes are better sorted for much less dollars and that's why I end up back at the R6 or the GSX-R750.
 
R6 has a pretty damn good power band relative to the 675. Both the 675's ran out of steam pretty quickly. Fun bikes though.
 
I have an 09 R1 that I have owned for 2 (3?) years that I commute on twice a week, ride around town on, and take into the mountains. I love the bike and never do I feel like it's trying to kill me as someone else stated about big bikes. It does all these really well and has been highly reliable for me!
I can't comment on the stock brakes as I purchased used and the previous owner had upgraded to galfer lines, and galfer drilled/wave discs. Power is definitely there and with a exhaust system + custom tune the curve is smooth and predictable with excellent fueling! The dual under seat exhaust is a nice butt warmer on cool days and barely noticeable on hot days.
Only two complaints being: The stock seat made for a sore butt, and the stock rear shock wasn't too great (for me being a light 145lbs w/o gear). Once I replaced the seat with a Corbin, and got my Ohlins TTX36 MK2, which is setup for your weight, those complaints went away and I am 100% happy.
 
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This has sparked quite the debate about R1/GSXR/FZ1/CBR's and now 675's. I am going to focus my search on R1's and 2nd Gen FZ1's. I really need to ride the mentioned bikes and see what I think.

I think it pretty obvious that I really want an R1 and i am just trying to get people to tell me that it is the right choise. Then Afm199 chimes in with sensibility and common sense.

In the end I think it what I feel most comfortable on.
 
afm199 said:
I own a late model 750. If your idea of good power is 4k on a 750, that's about 35 HP.
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Which, as I clearly stated, is much better than any of the 600cc-ish competition:

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Interesting... Match those torque curves up with lap times on the bikes.
 
Holeshot said:
Interesting... Match those torque curves up with lap times on the bikes.
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I think we both know that lap times don't necessarily correlate with HP or torque. But remember: we're talking about a guy buying a street bike that will see a few track days/year. The 750 is a nice compromise for that: it's got more low-end torque than the 600cc-ish competition, which makes it a nicer street ride IMHO, but won't scare the shit out of you at the track like a literbike would. Unlike Ernie, I thought the GSX-R was more comfortable than most of it's sportbike competition. I've got pretty good core strength, though, so YMMV.
 
Wow, the R6's curve sucks!

But almost no one has a stock exhaust & tune though.
 
fubar929 said:
I think we both know that lap times don't necessarily correlate with HP or torque. But remember: we're talking about a guy buying a street bike that will see a few track days/year. The 750 is a nice compromise for that: it's got more low-end torque than the 600cc-ish competition, which makes it a nicer street ride IMHO, but won't scare the shit out of you at the track like a literbike would. Unlike Ernie, I thought the GSX-R was more comfortable than most of it's sportbike competition. I've got pretty good core strength, though, so YMMV.
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Well, if you've got core strength then obviously you're special!:twofinger
 
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