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getting car repoed - what happens exactly?

ok, I guess I need to explain a little bit better
it's my gf's car, she makes payments on it, I just asked the question cause I wanna help her make a good decision
that is why selling my bike to put money into the loan is not really an option
she wants to get rid of it cause her job cut the bonuses and right now she makes just enough to pay her bills and simply live
the depreciated value of the car didn't have anything to do with it until she started looking at the options of selling/trading it
the amount of payment is the problem
that's why she tried to trade it in for a cheaper car
I tried to talk her into keeping the car and making payments on it but since she really wants way lower payments then we started looking around for other options
 
ok, I guess I need to explain a little bit better
it's my gf's car, she makes payments on it, I just asked the question cause I wanna help her make a good decision
that is why selling my bike to put money into the loan is not really an option
she wants to get rid of it cause her job cut the bonuses and right now she makes just enough to pay her bills and simply live
the depreciated value of the car didn't have anything to do with it until she started looking at the options of selling/trading it
the amount of payment is the problem
that's why she tried to trade it in for a cheaper car
I tried to talk her into keeping the car and making payments on it but since she really wants way lower payments then we started looking around for other options

Sounds like BARFers pretty well deduced the situation:laughing

The bad news is that even without the car she is still responsible for the payments - even with a repo. She will just be making payments for a car she does not have unless she files for bankruptcy.
 
Dude, this is not a strategy that is working for her. 1st round she went upside down, then she refinanced the cost of the depreciation and the interest into the 2nd loan, now a 3rd round? Seriously she should stop the madness. She needs to talk to the lender.

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Sean,

She's not managing her finances very wisely. She likely has a spending problem in more than once place in her life. (Ask me how I know. :blush I had to learn the hard way too.) Sit her down and TALK to her, because being trapped financially is tough. She can certainly go the bankruptcy route but there are serious long term ramifications. If she's unable to make a car payment she's not budgeting correctly and very likely shouldn't have gotten it in the first place. I'm going to go out on a limb again, but she probably has a substantial sum of credit card debt as well. If she gets some credit counseling she can lower the interest rates on her cards and make her car payment. I'm sure she would not be the first person to contact the auto loan company and explain how she's in over her head. Credit counselors can help her, my advice is to get her to see one.
 
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Best wishes to ya and the g/f , Pecha...

but please don't resort to desperate solutions....think it through and work at it....some sacrifices may be required..while it's painful, it can be a good lesson learned for the future when it really matters.....

g'lucks...
 
(Okay hubby says I've adopted a lecturing tone so I'm sorry, outties...g'luck) :later
 
She's still making more than minimum credit card payments. I don't think it's bad enough to seek bankruptcy.
 
She's still making more than minimum credit card payments.

IMO, priority wise:

1) Cut spending significantly...like 50%
2) Make payments on the car
3) Make minimum payments on the cc if necessary to make payments on the car.
 
IMO, priority wise:

1) Cut spending significantly...like 50%
2) Make payments on the car
3) Make minimum payments on the cc if necessary to make payments on the car.

4) Cut up the credit cards
 
If it were me, I'd buy the affordable car she was looking to get NOW.

Then, call the bank and turn the car over. Then just skip on the payments. With so many people filing bankruptcy or foreclosing right now, it will be pretty common for folks to have bad credit scores.

That way you have a car, while your old car is now gone. Tell her to buy something used, under $5000 though..

Besides, not having credit may help her limit her ability to gain new debt. You don't NEED credit really. People are just used to using it, so they like to have a high score. People who learn to live off of their actual cash flow seem to be less stressed out.. :)
 
If it were me, I'd buy the affordable car she was looking to get NOW.

Then, call the bank and turn the car over. Then just skip on the payments. With so many people filing bankruptcy or foreclosing right now, it will be pretty common for folks to have bad credit scores.

That way you have a car, while your old car is now gone. Tell her to buy something used, under $5000 though..

Besides, not having credit may help her limit her ability to gain new debt. You don't NEED credit really. People are just used to using it, so they like to have a high score. People who learn to live off of their actual cash flow seem to be less stressed out.. :)

That is all fine and dandy until 5 years from now you decide you want to buy a house. The bank will look at your credit and go, no way.
 
That is all fine and dandy until 5 years from now you decide you want to buy a house. The bank will look at your credit and go, no way.

especially now. A few years ago banks would overlook a lot to lend money. Now days you can have an almost perfect credit score and still not get a loan. Things are going to be tough for many years to come and maintaining a good credit rating is going to be crucial.
 
especially now. A few years ago banks would overlook a lot to lend money. Now days you can have an almost perfect credit score and still not get a loan. Things are going to be tough for many years to come and maintaining a good credit rating is going to be crucial.


After everything that's happened I'm even less likely to dance to the credit companies' sick credit rating tune.

Fuck those people, and their fucking rating.

See how they like everyone cutting back on credit for a decade, they'll be falling all over themselves to lend again. So many people who otherwise would have good credit will have shitty scores, it won't matter anymore.

If I have a good stable job, and decent income, and they still don't want to lend to me, fine. I'll save money for 15 years and buy a house with cash. Where's your profits now, banks?

I guess it's easy for me to say, as my credit is crap already. :p
I really just don't want to do debt anymore. Even for a house. Maybe especially for a house.

That said my opinion is to pay off the car, I'm perfectly morally comfortable with not doing so, but that's because I would be comfortable with mugging those lenders in person, and I think most people are not. If you're not, then pay your debts. Otherwise it's the same thing.
 
That is all fine and dandy until 5 years from now you decide you want to buy a house. The bank will look at your credit and go, no way.

It's not just the credit rating -- they will repo the car, sell it at auction for a fraction of what it's really worth, then come after you for the difference between the auction price and the loan, plus all of the repo costs and auction costs. They will sue you, you will lose, and then you will have a judgment against you -- which will also appear on your credit rating, and which won't go away, because judgments last 10 years, and are renewable.
 
That said my opinion is to pay off the car, I'm perfectly morally comfortable with not doing so, but that's because I would be comfortable with mugging those lenders in person, and I think most people are not. If you're not, then pay your debts. Otherwise it's the same thing.

I don't think this is a morality issue, it's just a business issue. If he gets the car repoed, and decides not to live a credit-free life, then credit in the future (if available to him, or I guess her) will be more expensive, and she will still likely have that judgment debt looming over her. And if they get married, well, then he will become responsible for the debts to, and it will impact his credit rating.

But morally, I agree with you -- there is no moral obligation to pay the loan back, just a contractual obligation to do so.
 
I don't think this is a morality issue, it's just a business issue. If he gets the car repoed, and decides not to live a credit-free life, then credit in the future (if available to him, or I guess her) will be more expensive, and she will still likely have that judgment debt looming over her. And if they get married, well, then he will become responsible for the debts to, and it will impact his credit rating.

But morally, I agree with you -- there is no moral obligation to pay the loan back, just a contractual obligation to do so.

Really? I'm not a huge mortgage and loan company lover, but you guys have no moral compunction to pay what you agreed to?
Apparently standing by your word doesn't mean the same thing to all people. :|
 
Really? I'm not a huge mortgage and loan company lover, but you guys have no moral compunction to pay what you agreed to?
Apparently standing by your word doesn't mean the same thing to all people. :|

If this was a moral issue, people would only borrow money when they really needed it, people who lent money would rely on someone's word that they would repay the money, and honest lenders and borrowers would work together to pay loans off.

But that's not how it works in real life. The lenders don't lend money just because a borrower needs it -- they only lend when it makes business sense for them to do so. And they demand repayment regardless of the borrower's circumstances. And borrowers borrow money on a whim, and don't limit their borrowing to what they need. So neither side is acting "morally" -- this is just a business transaction, and both sides will determine what the "right" course of action is based on business, not moral, principles.

That doesn't mean if you don't pay a loan off you don't suffer consequences. But is does mean that weighing the cost of those consequences against the cost of abiding by the contract is not unreasonable, and it doesn't make a person a "bad" or "immoral" person if they choose the best course of action for them -- even if it means not paying the loan off, and suffering the consequences that flow therefrom. It's just business. Like I said in an earlier post, if you do fail to pay a loan, you may end up paying more in the long run, so it's almost always a bad idea from a financial perspective to fail to pay off a loan. But there may be circumstances where one is financially better off not paying a loan, and if that's the case, it's not an immoral act to decide to make that decision.

Look at it another way -- if you really, really need a loan -- say for a kidney transplant or something, not for a new SUV -- but your credit sucks, or you are unemployed, the bank is not going to loan you the money, no matter how badly you need it, because they don't think they are going to get paid back. Does that make the bank immoral? If not, why only enforce morality on one side of the contract? If you take out a loan, but through no fault of your own (layoff, whatever) end up falling behind in the payments, is the bank being immoral if they raise your interest rate, or foreclose on the loan?

That's why I think this is just business, and morality doesn't play a role.

All that said -- I think it is an entirely different animal when you are talking about a loan from a friend, or family member, or organization that lends based on need. In that case, they are lending to you and are counting on your word that you will repay the loan. In that case, I think moral issues and "your word" DO come into play -- it's more like the situation in my first paragraph.

Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I see a real difference between loans made between parties based on business decisions, and loans made between parties based on the relationship between the parties. One is just business, the other does have a moral bent to it.

BTW, this is the reason why punitive damages are not available in breach-of-contract actions. The law doesn't care why someone breaches a contract, only that they do. And if they do, they have to reimburse the other side for the damages they suffer due to the breach -- but no more than that. The law recognizes a contract as solely a business decision, and doesn't have a punishment aspect for breaches of contracts.

BTW, I do pay all of my bills on time!
 
That's well put. I see your point.
I still find breaking a business contract unethical, though. Just because they've factored in that you might not make you payments doesn't mean that it's ok if you don't. To me that mindset is like "drive however you want, that's why the CHP is there - none of my business." Granted, that's a law and not a contract, but, well, it does affect me indirectly and it's not right. Perhaps a better example would be companies like AIG going under and getting bailed out so as not to take peoples' pensions with them. Yes, people should know that companies may go under and factor that in. It doesn't excuse AIG from being run so shoddily that they require large tax investments to keep pensions from disappearing.
 
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