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Gun control activists demanded better data. What they got surprised the heck out of them

budman said:
Agenda does not make it false. If folks discount stuff just because FOX or buy into stuff just because it is MSNBC or the opposite then it is time to just say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAA.
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What's missing here is any counterpoint of data.

In 2021, firearms killed 4,752 children and adolescents (ages 19 and younger) in the United States, according to an analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data published in Pediatrics. [1, 2]
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A total of 48,830 Americans died from gun-related injuries in 2021, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This was the highest number of annual gun deaths ever recorded in the United States up to that time. [1, 2, 3]
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Woohoo. Lots of good gun numbers. Contrasted with the fact that almost 5000 children died because of guns in that year they don't sound so hot.

I support firearm ownership. I don't support propaganda promoting firearms ownership that distorts the truth by painting an overly rosy picture.
 
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augustiron said:
How about historical precedent of presenting pure, unadulterated BS as "truth".

Reputations matter for "news" sources.

I only read Reuters
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How about being smart and verify or call bullshit. If you only read Reuters then you are making an assumption that social media has been embedded into your opinion.. No??

FYI.. I am not a Fox News or MSNBC or whatever news dude. Reuters is good. I like BBC as well.
However have seen stuff on Fox and MSNBC that I feel are true and not every piece is bullshit.

Getting perspective on the news sites with agenda's is smart here and there.
I do admit these days it is far far in between as the big American news media in general is full of selective crap.
 
Getting a bit off topic, but I don't get these social media embedded reference above...

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Not Sorry, but I will not ever trust anything Fox news reports.
Can/will they post some factual stories sometimes? I'm sure.
In my lifetime there has never been a more openly and clearly politically agenda driven influence campaign at this scale.
It affects everything they touch by design.

If division, culture war and othering are a wildfire spreading across America, Fox News is a massive fleet of flag wrapped, Star spangled banner blasting Air attack tankers to the rescue...... That are filled with gasoline.
 
Escape pod said:
The four fundamental rules for firing a gun are:
- Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
- Treat every gun as loaded.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot.
- Know your target and what’s beyond it.
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I don't follow how this speaks to this thread. Could you connect the dots?
 
budman said:
I am off to shoot tomorrow.

A little Mossberg home defense shoot for the Mrs and I and some 9mm point and click for all other things that try to fuck me. I don't have a CC permit, but I would if it was easier for a good citizen around these parts. I certainly would not carry often, but when retrieving stolen cars in Oakland I might. :laughing


Agenda does not make it false. If folks discount stuff just because FOX or buy into stuff just because it is MSNBC or the opposite then it is time to just say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAA.
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So get your CCW. San Mateo County's new Sheriff will fix you right up for about $2000. Plus is its not in your hands before Jan 1, 2027- you get one good for THREE years (not the two the rest of us have for more than a decade). The typical backlog at SMTOSO may put you into 2027 anyway.

Go here; https://sanmateoca.permitium.com/ccw/start

Of course, I renewed a month ago so I got the 2-year dealio.
 
augustiron said:
Getting a bit off topic, but I don't get these social media embedded reference above...

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I was referring to social media opining that FOX or whatever site is utterly useless without actually looking at it. I am not saying you did so, but saying some people do.

We see it happen in the PStink often. Something gets posted and people will not read it just dismiss without reading.

And thankfully people are free to do whatever they wish to on such. :flag
 
I think there is a big difference between cousin Eunice from UC Berkeley Facebook posting rants about Fox News versus.....

You know, what EVERY SINGLE media bias analysis Study ever has concluded about faux and their bias and factuality

and what they said about themselves when sued in court over their most popular and influential show at the time

"Fox's legal team successfully argued that the "generous amount of hyperbole" and tone used meant no "reasonable viewer of ordinary intelligence" would take the statements as literal, factual truth"

You can also strawman the "both sides" if it makes you feel better.

Person: "Crack is bad for you you shouldn't smoke it"
Crackhead: "yeah, well, so is heroin!!!!!"
 
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@Mike95060 o think arguments about Fox News as a source of unfactual information can be easily made without getting political mud on us.

Maybe delete that or edit it?
 
Factual information about an aforementioned “news” agency is political?

Edited to please the ministry of truth
 
You said the name of the demon that shall not be named, in addition to talking about election stuff.
 
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