caideN
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I dont agree with the part of being more aware. At least not more aware of your surroundings. General MMA teaches one vs one. If you take purpose defense tactics vs multiple assailants, then yes.
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How do you stay calm if someone wants to start a fight with you?
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I dont agree with the part of being more aware. At least not more aware of your surroundings. General MMA teaches one vs one. If you take purpose defense tactics vs multiple assailants, then yes.
again, missing my entire point. (also not speaking of MMA)
taking classes and studying does very little to keep yourself CALM. the op described a very physiological repsonse to a potential fight, which can only be gotten used to, by physical confrontation. learning what it feels like to get an adrenaline overload (and ensuing dump) as well learning to slow an altercation down is only something that can be done by being in a similar situation.
no you cannot replicate a street fight, but you can replicate many of the similar bodily repsonses and learn to manage them, which is what the op was asking about
if you dont thinbk it makes you more aware, well i simply disagree with you 100%. it does.
I wrote something while you posted this that explains some of my opinion.
Thanks to MMA and the advent of systems like Krav Maga, we have combat sports training which attempts to cover the gap between traditional martial arts and real fighting.
As for the average joe on the street, some people are better athletes and/or been experienced with fighting. Given training, they will be superior in self-defense than someone without training.
So what's happens in a real fight? Once I saw my friend take a swing at a stranger, and when the other guy flinched, my friend said, "Haha you lose!" 5 minutes later the stranger was buying all of us a beer.
But in that same situation, I and the other friends watching could have jumped this stranger. That's how a real fight plays out.
I think knowing how to fight gives you confidence in a verbal confrontation, but there is a lot in verbal confrontation which no martial art school teaches.
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whats funny is almost al those systems were in fact for REAL fighting, and then regressed because of their movement into sports competetion. traditional japanese JJ is actually pretty brutal.
my uncle is a judo black belt and japanese JJ black belt (5th dan in JJ, 3rd in Judo). at his school, to get your black belt you were pretty much required to work as a bouncer or security at a bar, to get real world application of using your techniques in uncertain situations but neing required to maintain calm as obviusly a bouncer cant just kill someone, or otherweise fuck them up.
I think cops and military got a pass on this or something
whats funny is almost al those systems were in fact for REAL fighting, and then regressed because of their movement into sports competetion. traditional japanese JJ is actually pretty brutal.
my uncle is a judo black belt and japanese JJ black belt (5th dan in JJ, 3rd in Judo). at his school, to get your black belt you were pretty much required to work as a bouncer or security at a bar, to get real world application of using your techniques in uncertain situations but neing required to maintain calm as obviusly a bouncer cant just kill someone, or otherweise fuck them up.
I think cops and military got a pass on this or something
One thing about Darren Wilson is that he was indecisive. When Brown grabbed him in his cruiser, he testified he was deciding between mace and his gun.
If I was grabbed in my vehicle, since I don't carry a loaded gun or mace, my only choice would be to drive off.
One other defensive liability for cops is their authority. Almost everyone defers to cops, either out of respect or fear.
But whatever Wilson said to Brown, Brown did not care that he was dealing with a cop and struck him. I believe Wilson made a big mistake by assuming Brown would yield to him.
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Yes, you can certainly do that. We train surprise attacks, fighting multiple opponents (with and without weapons), do exhaustion drills and so on. They help you to see how you'll function when tired and confused, and some give you an adrenaline dump.
You start to get habituated to things like rubber knives and guns after a while and they don't cause the adrenal dump they once did. We began using shock knives, which brought back that "I don't want that thing to touch me" urgency.
Oddly enough, I get more riled up in a verbal altercation that I think I would in a fight. Maybe the thing to train is all the "monkey dance" stuff that is the prelude to a fight.
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Old now but when I was young I was a better lover than a fighter.
Had some east Stockton friends who did not have a good night drinking unless they got in a fight, not my style.
45 years ago I did see one friend stay very calm when the shit hit the fan. A guy 10" taller and 50 pounds heavier came at him and throw a punch. First time in my life I have seen a 3 punch combination, and it came from my small friend Gerry. Big guy had a bloody nose and now was mad. Came a Gerry again and got another 3 punch combination and a split lip. Some guys grabbed the big guy and told him the fight was over. Gerry never not hit. Found out Gerry fought golden gloves and boxed when he was in the Navy. Never pick a fight with a boxer.
Had some east Stockton friends who did not have a good night drinking unless they got in a fight, not my style.
45 years ago I did see one friend stay very calm when the shit hit the fan. A guy 10" taller and 50 pounds heavier came at him and throw a punch. First time in my life I have seen a 3 punch combination, and it came from my small friend Gerry. Big guy had a bloody nose and now was mad. Came a Gerry again and got another 3 punch combination and a split lip. Some guys grabbed the big guy and told him the fight was over. Gerry never not hit. Found out Gerry fought golden gloves and boxed when he was in the Navy. Never pick a fight with a boxer.
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I don't think we disagreed Kevin. However, the idea that a street fight has predictable outcomes is similar to people saying they can control how they crash/ fall from a bike...totally different, every time.
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What is your definition of keeping calm? Simply looking calm on the outside or actually not feeling any physiological effects? Like I posted earlier, I think if you don't have acute responses, you are simply complacent and think/assume nothing will happen to you.
I don't know about you but I've been in hundreds of confrontational situations (job related) and I still have a physiological effect just not as much as the first one. What confrontations do you encounter to train yourself? Seriously wondering. Not being a smart ass. I don't want to train away my physiological responses because I feel more ready with them.
Everyone is different, I know. I think this is a really interesting topic.
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I was thinking about my experience and came to similar conclusion. If a fight happens too fast, you don't have time to process verbal insults, it is a "fight or flight" response. However, if a verbal altercation takes place, it takes up to a minute before either one guy leaves or a fight ensues. This one minute is more than enough for adrenaline dump to start messing with decision-making parts of brain.
I used to run around with tough martial fighting guys in college (the kind of guys who used to barge into dojos and challenge the best fighters for fights), but don't remember having this kind of adrenaline dump because when you are training, your brain has already processed that it is not a life and death situation. The worst that could happen would be you breaking a bone. But that wasn't a surprise and even in the worst part of training, there was no adrenaline rush.
Again, there is the belief that verbal confrontation will lead to a fight, but that's not true. You can exchange one-liners to lengthy discourses without even being menacing.
For people who are not good in verbal karate, it is hard to practice.
Probably the best dojo is to visit the Raiders parking lot wearing the opponent's jersey. Then hundreds of people will insult you without the threat of violence. Even if they threaten to kill you, it is just a taunt, which can see how you feel in a controlled environment.
For people who are not good in verbal karate, it is hard to practice.
Probably the best dojo is to visit the Raiders parking lot wearing the opponent's jersey. Then hundreds of people will insult you without the threat of violence. Even if they threaten to kill you, it is just a taunt, which can see how you feel in a controlled environment.
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Hahahahahahahaha!!!! Dude....awesome advice! Have you ever been to a Raider's game?
I've been to one. I got a Raiders jersey from a thrift shop so I was safe, but I could see the difference between how well I was treated versus people who wore regular clothes.
I have been meaning to go to Chavez Ravine to bust on Dodgers fans, but I razz fans of the other teams.
One time, I was with my friend from Dallas at an A's game, and he was wearing his Rangers jersey. I started teasing him, and other fans jumped on the fun. We actually chased him for a moment as a joke.
The worst (or the best) was during a World Series game. The Giants had crushed the Rangers and as I was leaving AT&T, one Giants fan was threatening a Rangers fan. It was a bit odd, since the Rangers fan was quiet from the loss, but the Giants fan was probably taking advantage of having hundreds of Giants fans around him.
Several other Giants fans and I surrounded the Rangers fan, then turned the other guy and said, "This is San Francisco, we don't do these kinds of things here."
It was unacceptable to threaten violence over a sporting event, and I'm proud we stopped it.
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I've been to a lot of Raiders games in Oakland and I've never had a verbal or other confrontation with opposing teams fans, but I've had verbal and physical confrontations with my fellow Raiders fans.
I've seen a fair amount of verbal and verbal to physical confrontations between Raiders fans and visiting fans, the worse seem to be Dallas fans.
It may be that I'm aware of the animosity between us and visiting fans an so try to not start and deescalate any given situation, while I'm usually surprised when a fellow Raider fan feels like starting something.
I've seen a fair amount of verbal and verbal to physical confrontations between Raiders fans and visiting fans, the worse seem to be Dallas fans.
It may be that I'm aware of the animosity between us and visiting fans an so try to not start and deescalate any given situation, while I'm usually surprised when a fellow Raider fan feels like starting something.
Not really. Raider fans will give you a lot of crap! But not too much to lead to a fight. Besides their girlfriends are wearing the opposite teams jersey! Just can't support LOOSERS!
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Huh, worse than Jets fans, really? Jets fans are almost as feral and sub-human as Eagles fans. Something about the color green.
BTW, that happened a few blocks away and several hours after the game was over.
I think the people wearing the Giants hats didn't even go to the game.
It sounded like an unrelated scuffle.
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Funny thing about me is that I am a total wuss unless someone challenges me or presents a threat to me, and then I just get some kind of fucked up clarity of rage and become invincible, or so it feels.
