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How likely is a bicyclist liable to receive a ticket. . .

Razel said:
There's no issue with keeping the bike out of the gutter, and away from debris. Goes for everyone on that stretch of road.

But, that's not "taking the lane" either. Taking the lane is preventing someone else's operation because the cyclist is now deciding how the other person should behave, automatically assuming the other one is incompetant. Like I initially said, that's part of the conflict. It'd be nice if there were an elegant solution...
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I guess in a perfect world, there would be bicycle lanes everywhere. Until then, vehicles and bicycles need to learn to share the road. If everyone follows the rules and drives defensively, it should work. It is easier and safer for you to drive the speed of a bicycle for 50 yards than it is for a bicycle to ride at the speed of a car for 50 yards. Consider how you would treat the cyclist if it were your wife, mother, daughter or other family member or loved one. Pass accordingly.

Yes, it's that simple. Think of it is banking kharma points.
 
motorman4life said:
Bicyclists have rights and responsibilities, just as the operator of any vehicle on the road. Some of the rules are different for them, but for the most part, they are the same.

He has a right to occupy the rightmost portion of the right lane. If it is one lane each way with a DY, then so be it. If he chooses to move over to the far right to allow vehicles to pass him, when it is safe, more power to him. It is his option. Once there are 5 vehicles stacked up behind him, he is obligated to pull or move over at the next available place and allow the traffic to pass by.

In the meantime, it is not a matter of him "prevening someone else's operation." His first responsibility is HIS safe operation. He is under no obligation to ride in the gutter, on a shoulder with obvious debris on it which may endanger his safe operation or the sidewalk, which is unlawful. If you don't like it... get on the freeway.
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Thank you. I was thinking that you 'didn't get it' but see that I was mistaken.

Remind me to buy you a drink of your choice when we meet up.

M
 
DachWuff said:
Ah maybe i'm crazy but i find it more comfortable to ride a bicycle against trafic. I'd rather have a headon colision that I have a slim chance of swerving away from rather than getting run over from behind with no warning, and no escape. Either way that foam fruit bowl on your head isn't going to do diddly to save you.
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I've developed a '6th sense' over the years. You can usually tell when cages are about to be asshats...

I usually tell people that you can say anything you want, as long as yer smiling and waving.

M
 
Razel said:
There's no issue with keeping the bike out of the gutter, and away from debris. Goes for everyone on that stretch of road.

But, that's not "taking the lane" either. Taking the lane is preventing someone else's operation because the cyclist is now deciding how the other person should behave, automatically assuming the other one is incompetant. Like I initially said, that's part of the conflict. It'd be nice if there were an elegant solution...
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Come riding with me. It'll open yer eyes.

The offer's open to any of y'all. If you wanna see how 'the other half' lives, come on a few training rides with me. You'll be amazed at what cages do when confronted with a bicycle in 'their lane.'

M
 
Gummee said:
If it ain't safe, it ain't safe.
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It's simply amazing to me just how many people I see operating vehicles of all sorts who behave in ways that clearly flag them as neither thinking nor caring. There's always risk to mixing traffic of various speeds, types and with drivers having a variety of skill levels, but holy hopping jeebus so people take a ridiculous number of obvious and stupid risks. Often it seems to me like the offending idiots have allowed the bubble of isolation their various vehicles provide to lull them into a strange highly entitled state of mind.

Last time I rode in the twisties this seemed the worst with bicyclist/motor vehicle encounters. All it really takes to safely pass a bicyclist or several is a bit of patience. I'm not talking like follow the RV all the way up the hill patience, more like the one minute of my day type. Still I saw all manner of stupidity from both cars and motorcyclists who seemed to be determined to avoid dropping out of whatever daydream they were in, break their pace, and make a safe pass. Maybe it's all the broken AFM'ers I've dealt with in my cornerworking days, but the reality of collisions is never far from my mind and it makes the thoughtless risks people take seem all the more stupid.
 
Officers-

1. It is illegal for any car to cross a double yellow to pass a cyclist right? It's amazing how many of them cross half way over to pass a cyclist and never get tagged for it.:mad
so I assume they would get pulled over quick if seen with a tire on the over the line right?

2. We all know wheelies on motorcycles will get you a ticket real fast, but what about on a bicycle? do you guys ever pull bicycles over for doing a wheelie?
what if its a safe place (empty parking lot, etc..)
what if its a busy street and looks unsafe and dangerous to peeps around?
 
Mortifer said:
Officers-

1. It is illegal for any car to cross a double yellow to pass a cyclist right? It's amazing how many of them cross half way over to pass a cyclist and never get tagged for it.:mad
so I assume they would get pulled over quick if seen with a tire on the over the line right?
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If I'm on the ZX or in a car, and I can see there is no one coming in the opposite lane, I'll straddle the double yellow or go over it to pass a bicycle rider--I give them as much room as I can. I'm hoping, if it's a safe pass, I won't get a ticket for that some day...


2. We all know wheelies on motorcycles will get you a ticket real fast, but what about on a bicycle? do you guys ever pull bicycles over for doing a wheelie? ...
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You are kidding, right? That would make my 8 year old a criminal I guess...
 
BPBiker said:
If I'm on the ZX or in a car, and I can see there is no one coming in the opposite lane, I'll straddle the double yellow or go over it to pass a bicycle rider--I give them as much room as I can. I'm hoping, if it's a safe pass, I won't get a ticket for that some day...



You are kidding, right? That would make my 8 year old a criminal I guess...
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yep. I'm curious on this.
Bicycles must obey all laws pertaining to vehicles right? so if a motorcycle gets pulled for it, a bicycle would to I'd assume.
 
there are a growing number of states (california's canada, for one) that allow cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs, and it's not led to serious problems.

i think it's smart, and keeps traffic moving. unclipping, stopping, re-clipping, and getting started slows everybody down and doesn't add much in the way of safety.
 
I saw a SF motorcycle cop pull over and ticket a bicyclist yesterday on Market street. Not sure if it was for running a red light or speeding.

I laughed like hell.
 
Mortifer said:
1. It is illegal for any car to cross a double yellow to pass a cyclist right? It's amazing how many of them cross half way over to pass a cyclist and never get tagged for it.:mad
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Hmm interesting...

On roads like Page Mill, it would be impossible for a car to pass a bicycle safely without crossing the DY to some degree. Is the car supposed to stay behind the bicycle until the cyclist pulls off the road?
 
DachWuff said:
Ah maybe i'm crazy but i find it more comfortable to ride a bicycle against trafic. I'd rather have a headon colision that I have a slim chance of swerving away from rather than getting run over from behind with no warning, and no escape. Either way that foam fruit bowl on your head isn't going to do diddly to save you.
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.02 cents -

In the military we ran AGAINST the traffic so we could see the person that was about to run us over and get out of the way -

Standard Disclaimer - the Military is not always right and this may be a poor idea...I've stuck with it ever since and run 3/4 times a week.
 
Lorry said:
Hmm interesting...

On roads like Page Mill, it would be impossible for a car to pass a bicycle safely without crossing the DY to some degree. Is the car supposed to stay behind the bicycle until the cyclist pulls off the road?
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Yep.
 
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