How safe are the old Cesna 152/150 planes still in use?

[Killroy1999]

What is cool about the flight over the golden gate bridge was that the pilot tilted the airplane so that we could get a better view of the bridge which was close to directly below us.

The plane was steady state and not turning, so I was wondering for the pilots out there what control input would do that.

 

[Blankpage]

I've watched a bunch of youtube airline crash videos this past week. I'm a little spooked about flying right now.
There's a lot of instances where the plane makes it to the ground safely as much by luck as anything else.

 

[bergmen]

I've watched a bunch of youtube airline crash videos this past week. I'm a little spooked about flying right now.
There's a lot of instances where the plane makes it to the ground safely as much by luck as anything else.

At any given moment there are thousands of commercial aircraft in the air carrying full loads of passengers to their destinations.

Never hear about them do you?

Dan

 

[dravnx]

What is cool about the flight over the golden gate bridge was that the pilot tilted the airplane so that we could get a better view of the bridge which was close to directly below us.

The plane was steady state and not turning, so I was wondering for the pilots out there what control input would do that.

He crossed controlled the rudder and the ailerons.
Roll the control yoke to the right and stomp on the left rudder at the same time. Add a bit of power to keep from descending. The right wing will be low but the airplane is not turning.
It's called a slip.
The airplane is flying sideways through the air.

 

[dravnx]

At any given moment there are thousands of commercial aircraft in the air carrying full loads of passengers to their destinations.

Never hear about them do you?

Dan

Pull up Flightradar24
It's shocking how many aircraft are inflight over the U.S. at any one time.

 

[GreenDew]

Pull up Flightradar24
It's shocking how many aircraft are inflight over the U.S. at any one time.

Wow, that is crazy! Thanks for the site.

 

[Killroy1999]

He crossed controlled the rudder and the ailerons.
Roll the control yoke to the right and stomp on the left rudder at the same time. Add a bit of power to keep from descending. The right wing will be low but the airplane is not turning.
It's called a slip.
The airplane is flying sideways through the air.

Thanks! . I knew I felt a little rudder in that maneuver. .

 

[Blankpage]

At any given moment there are thousands of commercial aircraft in the air carrying full loads of passengers to their destinations.

Never hear about them do you?

Dan

Yeah but I'm only worried about the one I'm one, I'd be crazy if I were to stress about all of them.

 

[MysterYvil]

I've watched a bunch of youtube airline crash videos this past week. I'm a little spooked about flying right now.
There's a lot of instances where the plane makes it to the ground safely as much by luck as anything else.

YouTube search FS2004. That guy puts out some morbidly fascinating recreations complete with blow-by-blow explanations.

 

[bergmen]

Yeah but I'm only worried about the one I'm one, I'd be crazy if I were to stress about all of them.

You shouldn't worry about the one you are on, it will have no effect on your safety. I'm going OT but all motorized transportation methods have potential for crashes. Commercial airline travel is BY FAR the safest method on the planet.

Dan

 

[Blankpage]

YouTube search FS2004. That guy puts out some morbidly fascinating recreations complete with blow-by-blow explanations.

There's a youtube channel with short, 8-10 min, animations with no voice audio but only closed caption text. I must have watched most of those.

I was watching one this morning about a Russian airline where the pilot let his teenage kid sit in the seat and pretend he was flying. The kid trips a switch that starts an out of control chaos ending with the deaths of 150+ passengers.

I don't know why I'm hooked on watching these.

 

[MysterYvil]

There's a youtube channel with short, 8-10 min, animations with no voice audio but only closed caption text. I must have watched most of those.

I was watching one this morning about a Russian airline where the pilot let his teenage kid sit in the seat and pretend he was flying. The kid trips a switch that starts an out of control chaos ending with the deaths of 150+ passengers.

I don't know why I'm hooked on watching these.

That sounds a lot like Allec Joshua Ibay, the FS2004 guy.

Creepy how little things get people killed.

I got hooked after Flight 191 went down at O'Hare- I could see the plume of smoke from our upstairs window. All those people died because maintenance cut corners.

 

[Blankpage]

That sounds a lot like Allec Joshua Ibay, the FS2004 guy.

Creepy how little things get people killed.

I got hooked after Flight 191 went down at O'Hare- I could see the plume of smoke from our upstairs window. All those people died because maintenance cut corners.

Yeah FS2004 is the series. He recreates the flights in a simulator.
Check out Alaska Air Flight 261 from back in 2000. They lost stabilizer control and the plane was trying to pitch down. They actually had to fly inverted to try and control it. The horror the passengers would have been under would have been torture.
Alaska was falsifying its maintenance records and had insufficiently lubed control screws.

I remembered that crash when back in 2009 I was commuting weekly for 3 months from Sac to Van BC and flying Alaska twice a week. Alaska never gave me a warm feeling with that fraudulent history not being very old back then.

 

[Ducky_Fresh]

Lots of planes from the 60’s and 70’s out there. They are serviced regularly and have way different levels of wear and tear. Plus updated at any sign of a concern. Plus they don’t really wear with no friction. Sure joints etc. but that gets replaced. Not to mention airplanes generally are built with lots of failsafes and secondary options/Systems.

Can’t think of them like cars..

 

[Blankpage]

Planes are made from aluminum which is a metal that does suffer from fatigue failures. The non friction tube frame does go through a lot of pressurization cycles.

Stuff gets overlooked such as when planes are subjected to a different environment. Such as some planes being stored in a marine climate at a costal airport where corrosion may happen at a faster rate than a typical maintenance schedule may predict.
Used for short flights with more takeoff and landing stress cycles than an average plane used for longer flights.

The airline industry is susceptible to complacency just like any other industry. With no accidents over a long period other concerns like profits may start to take some of the focus that should be on safety.

 

[FXCLM5]

You shouldn't worry about the one you are on, it will have no effect on your safety. I'm going OT but all motorized transportation methods have potential for crashes. Commercial airline travel is BY FAR the safest method on the planet.

Dan

But but sometimes they fukn disappear into thin air forever......

I think I rather be in a car where the worst case scenario they could still follow the tire marks and find you.

But shit imma still be flying to save time and $$

 

[dravnx]

But but sometimes they fukn disappear into thin air forever......

I think I rather be in a car where the worst case scenario they could still follow the tire marks and find you.

But shit imma still be flying to save time and $$

So extremely rare it cannot be considered as a data point.
Cars and motorcycles run off cliffs and are not found for months/years/decades.
I don't consider these circumstances when I do my risk/reward analysis.

 

[Blankpage]

The old planes may be safer than the new planes.
I might have a little concern boarding a Boeing 787 build in South Carolina.

"We're not building them to fly, we're building them to sell"

This has probably been posted on here before. A bit unsettling if accurate.

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