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How to accellerate hard (another noob lesson)

Mr Pepsi said:
If you really have a hard time reaching the cluth when accelerating hard, try this trick.
Instead of whacking the throttle after you're moving, try holding in the clutch from a stop and then whack the throttle. After you hear the engine pinging off the rev limiter, let the clutch out very fast. Make sure to lean way back in your seat too. TROLL
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Bad, bad bad advice :thumbdown
 
kurth83 said:
............I missed the timing once and the left bar shot forward, causing undesired steering input (putting it mildly), leaning forward seems safer given my lack of skills.

But if that isn't the right way I want to know................................
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Due to this post, it sounds to me like you are supporting your body by putting your weight on your arms/hands/bars.

Could this be the case ?
 
planegray said:
Due to this post, it sounds to me like you are supporting your body by putting your weight on your arms/hands/bars.

Could this be the case ?
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Probably, during hard accell the bars are pulling me forward so all the "weight" is in the arms. When not accellerating hard I have a little weight on the bars too, not much is needed due to the upright position.

Leaning forward and using my legs and torso allowed me to get the weight off my arms completely regardless of throttle position, which is why it seemed like the right thing to do at the time.

One poster here suggested I could do that without actually leaning forward, I'll give it a try later today.
 
^^^ The harder you are accelerating, the faster you are going, the more you should be leaning forward...it's just the right thing to be doing.

Especially for hard acceleration, tossing the body low and forward (before the hard acceleration) to be a preventive strike against un-wanted front wheel, sky-shots.
 
kurth83 said:
Probably, during hard accell the bars are pulling me forward so all the "weight" is in the arms. When not accellerating hard I have a little weight on the bars too, not much is needed due to the upright position.

Leaning forward and using my legs and torso allowed me to get the weight off my arms completely regardless of throttle position, which is why it seemed like the right thing to do at the time.

One poster here suggested I could do that without actually leaning forward, I'll give it a try later today.
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You should be leaning forward, or at least using your stomach muscles and torso to keep yourself upright. You don't need to lay against the tank though. Your bike isn't that fast. You just aren't used to the difference from your old bike.

Again, grip with your legs, and use your torso to keep your arms loose. You should never have weight on the bars or your arms. This is true both pushing and pulling. Your arms and grip should always be loose on the bars. Otherwise you will get unintended inputs like you described. That is bad.



As suggested maybe practicing some take offs in a parking lot is a good idea.
 
I also moved from a cruiser to a standard bike and I do not recall having that issue but the ergonomics are a lot different. You definitely feel like you're laying down on the bike at first since before you're in more of a "barca-lounger" type position.

Use your legs to grip the tank and engage your core muscles to stay in a leaned forward position. Practice smooth take offs and stops. GL and let us know how it goes.
 
revnort said:
........... Your arms and grip should always be loose on the bars. Otherwise you will get unintended inputs like you described. That is bad............................
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+1

Can lead to disastrous consequences !


We all strive for "no weight on bars" but reality is we DO use them for support.... the trick is to do this when you are not accelerating, turning, slowing.... those phases are too critical to risk using this bad technique
 
Stop holding on to the bike with your hands and start holding on with your legs, using your abs and lower back to hold your upper body in place. The only reason the handlebars would shoot to one side when you reached for the clutch is because you were strongarming them and you changed how you were pushing when you went for the clutch.

You should have zero force on the bars except what is absolutely needed to turn the throttle or apply countersteering.
 
budbandit said:
I was looking over the list of bikes and trying to figure out which of these beasts was so uncontrollable fast and quickly became confused.
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I've owned a BMW F650GS, and I could probably run faster from a standing stop. :)

As for my Husky 510, I just modulate the throttle as the front wheel points sky high when I accelerate.
 
It is a bit funny to get told 'your bike is not that fast' when your mind is going 'holleee fhaaaakkk' and you're clinging to it for dear life.

Just goes to show how much performance there already is there and how much is just waiting around the corner, through a new bike.

I like getting that feeling from 'slow' bikes as well as fast one.
 
Z3n said:
Stop holding on to the bike with your hands and start holding on with your legs, using your abs and lower back to hold your upper body in place. The only reason the handlebars would shoot to one side when you reached for the clutch is because you were strongarming them and you changed how you were pushing when you went for the clutch.

You should have zero force on the bars except what is absolutely needed to turn the throttle or apply countersteering.
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This. Very much this.

Use those core muscles! It will make your arms happy and relaxed. :ride
 
are you sitting all the way back with your arms fully extended and elbows locked..? that kinda gives the wrong perspective of body and machine in unison..your body is fighting the motion of the bike..go with it..not against it..

scoot forward towards the tank and have a bend on the elbows up and out and hold loosely on the controls...

picture a doggy sitting on it's butt and begging ....kinda the same position..

except having the tongue sticking out and tail wagging...

that would be just weird..
 
Z3n said:
Stop holding on to the bike with your hands and start holding on with your legs, using your abs and lower back to hold your upper body in place. The only reason the handlebars would shoot to one side when you reached for the clutch is because you were strongarming them and you changed how you were pushing when you went for the clutch.

You should have zero force on the bars except what is absolutely needed to turn the throttle or apply countersteering.
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this x1000000^100


your bike isnt THAT fast, quick in the first gears sure, but not "fast" by most of the barf bikes

the bars are for holding onto sure but mainly to control the bike.

the way sport riders do it?

it starts with having a differant seat. not flat.

go to a dealership and look at a modern liter bike, you'll know how they stay on the seat :p
 
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