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Is Motorcycling of the 70s the Same As Motorcycling Today?

russ69

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What do you guys think, I'm not sure. The bikes today are vastly different and more powerful. Are the riders the same? Does the sport attract the same kind of people? Is it more mainstream? What do you think?

Thanx, Russ
 
I think there are those who are more into the classic traditions of motorcycles and there are also many new breeds that have sprung up. Certainly in California at least, Motorcycling is broader and more diverse in appeal than it has ever been.
 
I got a lot of dirty looks the other day with my shirt unbuttoned to my navel, and my medallions flowing in the wind.

I think the difference is mostly the hair, and the clothes.
 
I think there are those who are more into the classic traditions of motorcycles and there are also many new breeds that have sprung up. Certainly in California at least, Motorcycling is broader and more diverse in appeal than it has ever been.

I'm not old enough to answer this from personal experience, but some things stand out to me as pretty big differences:
  • denser and faster car traffic that makes it less comfortable and more dangerous for motorcycling as a primary mode of transportation rather than just leisure
  • not only are the bikes different, there are a lot more kinds, more specialized equipment, more specialized things to do with bikes, but also a higher barrier to entry to some of them
  • a lot more knowledge about riding, more formal training, and vastly better safety gear offset some of the downsides and costs, keeping us alive, healthy, and riding longer
 
technology changes through the times...

people remain stupid...
 
Back in time your average motorcyclist might have had more knowledge in terms of working on their motorcycle. But a big part of that is your average motorcycle was a more basic piece of equipment. With modern fuel injection and other electronics the average rider can't fix something if it quits. But then again it's all so much more dependable so you aren't likely to have to know how to fix it. Also things were more groovy.
 
As someone who spent my formative years tearing around the streets of Long Island illegally on mini bikes and dirt bikes, and having relatives with street bikes, it's totally different. Even motorcycling in the early mid 80s when I did my first street riding was very different than today. A lot more fun back then if you ask me, but that could be the grumpy old man in me talking.

IMO, the streets are wayyy more dangerous now than they were back then.
 
What do you guys think, I'm not sure. The bikes today are vastly different and more powerful. Are the riders the same? Does the sport attract the same kind of people? Is it more mainstream? What do you think?

Thanx, Russ

Lots was different. Nobody I knew would have referred to it as a sport. Almost nobody wore helmets back then. There weren't any sportbikes, businessmen didn't ride Harleys, you had a fair chance of seeing the HA on the roads around here. Lots of people rode two up (and still without helmets). Attitudes toward driving and riding under the influence were way different; there was vastly more tolerance of it among the community and police.

Yeah, it was lots different.
 
I take it you haven't read proficient motorcycling? As the first section of the book talks about how no, it's not the same.
 
brakes and tires are soooo much better.
lot more women riding their own ride.
British bikes are no longer the best but they are sooo much better than they were.
Harleys have nothing to do with bowling balls anymore.
 
The bikes were teh suck, but we didn't know it. Just as we don't know today that our bikes will be teh suck when judged by 2040's riders.

Tires didn't grip, springs didn't suspend, dampers just didn't. A pair of single-pot calipers on the front wheel was state-of-the-art. While many of today's bikes can brake from 60mph at 1.0g average deceleration, a 1978 KZ1000 tested by Car and Driver in a comparison with a Firebird could barely manage 0.7g.

It was great fun, though. My ride on the back of a 1979 CBX is what hooked me. Soon after that, I was all in, and a few years later my garage was packed with bikes (including a CBX of my own).

Motorcycling was totally a young man's game in those days. Over half of bike owners in 1985 were under 30, and only 20% were 40 or older. I don't have data from the '70s, but it was undoubtedly even more skewed back then.

There was basically no training. It wasn't until 1986 that the CMSP came along to make MSF training available all over California. In the early '80s a friend and I found an MSF ERC given by the Municipal Motorcycle Officers of California, under a National Safety Council program. We considered ourselves among the elite, the MSF-trained riders of the day. :rolleyes

There were plenty of roadracing opportunities. I don't know about the Bay, but in So Cal, there were Riverside, Ontario, Willow, and a parking lot course at Orange County International Raceway (a local dragstrip).

Recreational track use didn't yet exist in the '70s, but Keith Code's Superbike School got started in the early '80s, as did a predecessor of Reg Pridmore's CLASS (same deal, but a different acronym, which I forget). My MSF buddy attended a Kawasaki demo day at Willow in the mid 80s, where he got to ride all of the latest bikes on the track under the watchful eye of Keith Code. I first attended CLASS in 1988.

On the street, riding was frickin deadly. In 1979, California recorded the most motorcycles deaths in its history, with 856. In 2008, 560 riders died in CA, a 20-year high. Most riders killed back then were under 30--as would be expected with all the young riders. But young riders of the day were also far more likely to die than old riders.

One reason for all the deaths was alcohol. More than half of riders in fatal crashes in those days had BAC > 0. In 2008, it was only one-third. Increased awareness of the danger of drinking and riding is one of the motorcycle safety victories in the past couple of decades.
 
pointless question. 70's peeps were univerally stoners - no? subject to total (or total lack of) recall on the part of the participants. short (or was that long) term memory (loss or misplacement) being what it is / was. in any event - little point in asking.
 
The bikes have changed, but some of the people are cut from the same cloth.

I had a nice talk with Peter Beagle (Last Unicorn author) about his book "I See By My Outfit: Cross-Country by Scooter, an Adventure" About his trip from NY to CA on old ratty bikes.

We chatted about his trip, and my trip from SF to NY on a 3 cylinder 4 cylinder and all the parallels about crappy bikes, crappy performance, crappy weather.

Motorcycling is the same, the people are the same, the RATIO of insane retards has dropped quite a bit. People today are a bit more....gelded compared to the riders of old. Lots of folks today still are crazy enough to match their antics, but the numbers seem to be dwindling.

So yeah, it is the same, yet is different. The bikes are better, the riders are 'diluted'

I know it makes me sound like a dick, but it really is the truth. Modern comforts influence modern people.

I'm just happy to be one of the retards that can swap stories of idiocy with folks 30-40 years older than me.
 
pointless question. 70's peeps were univerally stoners - no? subject to total (or total lack of) recall on the part of the participants. short (or was that long) term memory (loss or misplacement) being what it is / was. in any event - little point in asking.

Uh... could you run that by me one more time? Had a hard time understanding what you said/tried to say (or thought you were saying) :rolleyes:smoking:teeth:twofinger

Seriously though, the biggest difference between the 70's and now is that back then I used to crash/drop my bike a lot. Nowadays, not so much (knocks on wood).
 
As one of...

..the old guys who grew up riding, & lived to tell about it, Thank GOD the bikes have changed...
Rice bikes were just coming into their own, becoming respectable---1969 Honda 750, first complete bike with electric start, turn signals, two mirrors, stable handling, & dependable electrics....1971 Suzuki Titan, a magazine tester rode it down a railroad track to see if he could tear it up---& it wouldn't break!...however, some bikes did have their downfalls....Kawaski's were deadly then---the two-stroke triples were widow makers. I swear my original Z1 had a hinge in the middle it wobbled so bad in the corners...even as great as Honda's CBX powerplant was--1st bike with 100hp from the factory, the suspension was just scary, & that was 1979...
Into the Eighties, things continued to improve.....Suzuki's Katana, Kawasaki's Ninja, & the Honda VFR's created the Sportbike segment, & things have never been the same.
Now, are you asking are things better?...or different?...I think the bikes now deliver what they could only promise back then---& they're safer....the brakes WORK, tire technology advances every six months, the suspensions are compliant, & todays engine management & fuel injection systems have even made English bikes dependable....
Do I miss the 70's & 80's?..of course, but, I'd much rather ride a contemporary bike than a vintage piece...& spend more time riding than keeping it running........IMHO
 
The bikes have changed, but some of the people are cut from the same cloth.

I had a nice talk with Peter Beagle (Last Unicorn author) about his book "I See By My Outfit: Cross-Country by Scooter, an Adventure" About his trip from NY to CA on old ratty bikes

I read an old paperback of that book probably 15 yrs ago and LOVED it. The fact that he's still interested in talking about riding speaks volumes to his coolness. He just bumped ALL the James Frey books from the front of my to read list. Poor Jimmy.
 
One thing about the older bikes is that the footpegs are right below the front edge of the seats. They are very natural & comfortable. Nowadays even the so-called standards have the footpegs under your butt. Basically all modern motorcycles place too much weight on your wrists.
 
The kids of today should defend themselves against the 70's

It's not reality, just someone else's sentimentality...
It won't work for you...

Look what it did to us...

Baby boomers selling you rumors of their history
Forcing youth away from the truth of what's real today


- Mike Watt
 
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