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It's REAL, you doubting b!tches... Honda RCV1000 v4 street bike

Maybe a good bike if you have the cash lying around, but Honda's presentation of it as a bike with low HP needing a "kit" to have any considerable power, was a poor marketing decision. I'm sure they'll sell out regardless.
 
stangmx13 said:
the signature feature is that it does share parts w/ a 2014 GP bike
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So much this. Its not just the base material cost, you are paying for the privilege of owning previously proprietary Honda GP tech for the "bargain" price of $180,000. All the GP R&D and design and knowing that certain parts you are riding on are what HRC riders were riding just a year ago. You can go turbocharge a Supra to 1000+ HP in your garage, doesn't make it more impressive than a grand prix engine in my eyes.

Its unrealistic to expect a 100% full blown GP bike that costs a factory team MILLIONS of dollars for $70,000 by just trimming some pieces.
 
now that i think about it... for about 4M euros, Honda GP teams lease enough frames, engines, and spare parts for at least 5 bikes. they all have seamless transmissions which cost ~1M euros, a pneumatic valve system, a very expensive torductor, and the best electronics system on the planet. plus all the spare wheels, brakes, etc and the factory technician to work on all of it. remove the expensive parts, all the spares, the technician, and divide the cost by the number of complete bikes... and this bike aint too expensive.
 
jiffy said:
Maybe a good bike if you have the cash lying around, but Honda's presentation of it as a bike with low HP needing a "kit" to have any considerable power, was a poor marketing decision.
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Sure, they could have not imported it in to the US at all.
 
stangmx13 said:
now that i think about it... for about 4M euros, Honda GP teams lease enough frames, engines, and spare parts for at least 5 bikes. they all have seamless transmissions which cost ~1M euros, a pneumatic valve system, a very expensive torductor, and the best electronics system on the planet. plus all the spare wheels, brakes, etc and the factory technician to work on all of it. remove the expensive parts, all the spares, the technician, and divide the cost by the number of complete bikes... and this bike aint too expensive.
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the seamless has been said to not be that expensive anymore. nakamoto said that last year that its cost has come way down
 
Bless HRC in the name of the Father... ($15,000)
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in the name of the Son... ($27,500)
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and the Holy Smokes... $184,000
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Corb said:
The RC30 only had 98hp stock and the R7 had 107hp [if I remember correctly]
Both required additional power up kits sold separately.
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$15K Stock 88 RC30 92.7 RWHP (HRC Kitted 112 RWHP) (HRC Factory Tuned 148 RWHP)

$15K Stock 94 Ducati 916 103 RWHP (SP 115 RWHP) (Corsa Factory Tuned 998cc 167 RWHP)

$27.5K Stock 94 RC45 108 RWHP (HRC Kitted 124 RWHP) (HRC Factory Tuned 185 RWHP)
 
Karbon said:
Geez man, i honestly dont get what the bummer news is all about. Remeber that story of that dude who bought the GP12 or 13 or whatever Guy basically had to fly out Duc factory tech if wanted to do anything to it.

This is just not your average person's bike. It's buying a unicorn and the magic unicorn saddle to ride it. Its gonna cost "fuck you" money for a "Fuck you" bike.
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True. You don't see people ripping on Bugatti for failing to take middle class preferences and tastes into consideration when they designed the Veyron.
 
Adjusted for inflation the RC30 would be $31K and the RC45 $44K when brand new.
The thing is those where SBK homologation bikes not a street legal MotoGP replica.
Quite a difference.
The closest thing to the RC213V was actually the "V8" oval piston 92' NR750 which in today's money was sold for $100K a piece.
And that was for a bike based on the not very successful 1979 NR500 grandprixbike.
I can see hoow they can justify $184k for a bike based on the basically current gp bikes.
Not like people bought NR750's to trash them at trackdays. Most are venerated in museums as works of mechanical and visual art
 
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TTTom said:
True. You don't see people ripping on Bugatti for failing to take middle class preferences and tastes into consideration when they designed the Veyron.
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Totally relevant: Last Veyron


For Budman's sake, the bike in race trim will not meet U.S. noise and pollution standards. And if you look at the wording from NHTSA, foreign manufacturers can not offer solutions that will violate those codes. Thus, Honda CAN'T offer a kit in the U.S.. What is stupid is that I, you, or any schmuck, can buy a perfectly legal bike that is down 5 to 7 percent h.p. and beyond most people's riding skill. That's the problem with Honda's decision. They could (maybe) have competed with BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati, and Aprilia, but really chickened out, imNEVERho.
 
Corb said:
The closest thing to the RC213V was actually the "V8" oval piston 92' NR750
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Negative...
I'd place the NR750 on a pedestal all by it's lonesome... it still
looks down at all the other manufactures with you'll never top this
level of engineering... like you say it's really a V8 counting the number
of valves, spark plugs and rods... the only other race V8 was the Moto
Guzzi... but sadly as Performance Bike put it "the NR is twice the
price and half the bike of the RC45." it's a crying shame too because the rule
makers sought to keep it off the tracks and on a pedestal... except for a
175mph top speed record set by Loris Caprorossi on Aug 28 1993...
it never was afforded a chance to shine because this level of technology
scared the FIM ruling body enough to ban anything but round cylinders...


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Busy Little Shop said:
it never was afforded a chance to shine because this level of technology scared the FIM ruling body enough to ban anything but round cylinders...
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I'm not sure I think it would have ever done well anyway. I think of the NR as Honda's Veyron. It was heavy, it wasn't extraordinarily fast, it wasn't really for the track, but it remains the definition of "exotic".

I love all the people whining about warranties and extra kit costs and such. The kind of people who can afford a $184,000+ toy don't give a shit about warranties, and they hire people to work in their garages and maintain their bikes. It's a different universe.

Furthermore, having the kit will add more value to the package than the cost of the kit. How much does an HRC-kitted RC45 cost nowadays? I recall certain parts of the HRC kits being worth a significant fraction of the bike... if you can find them.
 
Busy Little Shop said:
Negative...
I'd place the NR750 on a pedestal all by it's lonesome... it still
looks down at all the other manufactures with you'll never top this
level of engineering... like you say it's really a V8 counting the number
of valves, spark plugs and rods... the only other race V8 was the Moto
Guzzi... but sadly as Performance Bike put it "the NR is twice the
price and half the bike of the RC45." it's a crying shame too because the rule
makers sought to keep it off the tracks and on a pedestal... except for a
175mph top speed record set by Loris Caprorossi on Aug 28 1993...
it never was afforded a chance to shine because this level of technology
scared the FIM ruling body enough to ban anything but round cylinders...
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I can see why you consider it as more special. Its design was also very revolutionary and it directly heavily influenced the design of the iconic 916.

However, it still is the closest thing Honda build to the RC213V.
Both are based on grandprix bikes, both made in very limited numbers.
And the NR750 was the most expensive streetbike Honda ever sold until the new RC213V.
 
uh oh:


".....I asked whether the RC213V-S implies that one day soon, a single basic design will be shared by a production sportbike, a World Superbike, and a MotoGP bike.

Mr. Yoshituke Hasegawa (who is series Large Project Leader, or LPL) replied, “We have at present a split between inline and V-4, but the V-4 revolution has begun.”

I should know better than to ask such questions....."


http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/1...ica-street-legal-sportbike-motorcycle-review/
 
firstbuell said:
uh oh:


".....I asked whether the RC213V-S implies that one day soon, a single basic design will be shared by a production sportbike, a World Superbike, and a MotoGP bike.

Mr. Yoshituke Hasegawa (who is series Large Project Leader, or LPL) replied, “We have at present a split between inline and V-4, but the V-4 revolution has begun.”

I should know better than to ask such questions....."


http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/1...ica-street-legal-sportbike-motorcycle-review/
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It's like a flashback to the 80's! :laughing

(Can't wait for Duran Duran's new album, for sure.)
 
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