Jordan Motor Sports

[mjrydsfast]

I have to believe that when MJ signed BBoz to his contract that it would net him the title he so badly wants, especially given Ben's WSBK experience. He did, after all, beat Bayliss five times in his prime and not everyone can say that but as someone once told me back in 1999, he "didn't think Ben had it him" to win. At this point, he's looking like he's right. Does anyone else think Ben should have won another AMA Superbike title by now?

 

[sidewazzz]

I believe BB was the only top 5 rider was without contract, that's why.

 

[motobecane10]

As much as i would have liked to see him secure an AMA sbk title before his racing days are over it pains me to say it's not going to happen. Talented, yes, personable, yes but passed his prime racing yrs to battle for said title.

 

[CuriousMike]

Watching him double WSBK at Laguna Seca was awesome.

That was 10 years ago.

 

[rsrider]

I always thought he would be more of a champion than it has turned out. I remember him riding hardleys and racing with erion. Both Ben and Eric are great guys, but maybe that was the problem.....too nice and easy going. I sometimes think that to stay on top of the pile, you have to shit on everyone that's below you, and neither of those guys are like that.

 

[Map8]

I believe BB was the only top 5 rider was without contract, that's why.

Hacking? Zemke? Hopper?

None of them had contracts for 2011 when Bostrom was signed. I don't know how the revolving door policy at Jordan works but they didn't select Bostrom because of lack of talent available.

 

[Sane_Man]

Hacking? Zemke? Hopper?

None of them had contracts for 2011 when Bostrom was signed. I don't know how the revolving door policy at Jordan works but they didn't select Bostrom because of lack of talent available.

Didn't Zemke already have his shot with Jordan?

 

[kevin 714]

the poll question is dumb because bboz won the ama sbk title already lol that second option needs to be reworded...

he also won the ama supersport title as well

ben is too much of a philosopher to win the bike title I think...

 

[sidewazzz]

Hacking? Zemke? Hopper?

None of them had contracts for 2011 when Bostrom was signed. I don't know how the revolving door policy at Jordan works but they didn't select Bostrom because of lack of talent available.

Hacking...wants too much plus I think he would never consider riding under DMG.

Zemke... never really did anything on a super bike. Plus BB is more popular.

Hopper already wanting out and trying to get WSBK or GP ride settled for BSB.

 

[Map8]

They were all without contracts. That was your statement. Not, "in my opinion who was available or would sign". Don't change your statements.

Zemke was the only person to beat Yosh during the Spies/Mladin freight train with a win at Miller. He also won both Superbike races at Daytona in 2010 which were the first and second superbike victories ever for Jordan Motorsports. Later he was assigned to be the guinea pig for a new suspension vendor and his results suffered for the rest of 2010. That could hardly be described as "never did anything". How many races did Roger Hayden and BBoz win this year? None.

As for Hopper wanting out. No one wanted to touch him in GP or WSBK last year so he was lucky that a decent team gave him a chance even though he may not have been up front about his health. Without podiums at the end of the 2010 AMA season and its unlikely anyone would have come calling from BSB or anywhere else.

Hacking may have wanted too much or not. He definitely wasn't under contract just as the others weren't at the time BBoz was signed for Jordan.

 

[sidewazzz]

Y U mad?

You asked about 3 riders and I gave reasons why I thought they didn't get the ride. I never changed my statement. If you're saying JZ is better than BB then that's your deal. As far as Hacking and Hopper, yes I would take them over BB any day but...

Hacking has been quoted to never ride for under what he thinks he should get paid (which is a lot for todays teams). Plus he thought the DMG thing was a sham and would never ride under it.

Hopper isn't dumb and he has some MAJOR talent behined him. Him staying in the mess (AMA) would lead to no where really. Factory's jumping ship, rules changing, less rides and money to pick from and not to mention the thingo with him and JU last year. Doesn't matter if nobody in AMA wanted him, I'm sure he wasn't loosing sleep over it. Him getting lucky with the BSB team... false. He was weighing his options last year and made a good choice. Top 3 in BSB is pretty good and he'll for sure get more recognition for it then the AMA SB CHAMP.

If you want to compare JZ to BB then he has done nil. JZ is a good rider but he had his time at Jordan Motorsports. You have to remember from the sponcers point of view it's not just about results (though it does help) it's about exposure and getting a guy like BB to show off your LOGO ins't a bad deal even if he isn't winning races.

Really your three riders you listed should have only been one, Zemky. At that he had his time with JM.

 

[Map8]

Y U mad?

You refugees from MotoGP threads need to think of your own jokes.

Now go back and read your post. See the part about "only top 5 rider without a contract". That wasn't the case. Its likely BoBoz was picked because of sponsorship but thats not what you said in your original post.

 

[sidewazzz]

You refugees from MotoGP threads need to think of your own jokes.

Now go back and read your post. See the part about "only top 5 rider without a contract". That wasn't the case. Its likely BoBoz was picked because of sponsorship but thats not what you said in your original post.

Your reply made it seem like you were mad that I provided reasons that made sense. That's why I posted "Y U mad".

Dude what don't you get?

Zemke rode for Jordan already, he was passed on for BB! To me BB is the better racer, you don't like it??? So what!

Asking about Hacking or Hopper was like pulling a couple names you heard of off the top of your head, "hey what about these guys"! While your at it you should named off Maladin because he's not in contract either.

So again, "I BELIEVE BB WAS REALLY THE ONLY TOP 5 RIDER WITHOUT CONTRACT" or maybe I should have said, "I BELIEVE BB WAS THE ONLY TOP 5 WITHOUT CONTRACT THAT WOULD RIDE IN AMA".

 

[Map8]

I'm not sure you're taking the internet seriously enough.



Sidewalk: "Only top five rider not under contract."

Dogboy: points out that other riders of the same skill level were available.



a) "Oh yeah, thats right but BBoz is probably better for sponsors." Good answer.

b) Insult Zemke and ignore original statement by changing the subject to suit the answer you want to give now.

Which option did you choose?


Now if you want to stay on topic discuss why Jordan has a revolving door of good riders that only get a one year tryout. Yosh, Graves and the other successful teams develop talent. Maybe that approach would work for Jordan?

 

[kevin 714]

jordan needs to switch from zook, thats why. they arent guna beat yosh on equal equipment. going suzuki has been an issue since day one for them IMO(forgetting the first yamaha year with that montel guy)

 

[sidewazzz]

I'm not sure you're taking the internet seriously enough.



Sidewazzz: "I Believe Only top five rider not under contract."

Dogboy: points out that other riders of the same skill level were available. but doesn't consider the fact that they don't want to be racing in AMA.



a) "Zemke already had his chance with Jordan" Good answer.


b) Insult Zemke and ignore original statement by changing the subject to suit the answer you want to give now.

How is saying JZ hasn't done much in SB insulting him? What 2 wins last year year, on what is equal to a factory Zook... Time to be replaced.

Which option did you choose?


Now if you want to stay on topic discuss why Jordan has a revolving door of good riders that only get a one year tryout. Yosh, Graves and the other successful teams develop talent. Maybe that approach would work for Jordan?

Corrected!

Yoshi has the bucks to pay for top riders in AMA. Maladin and Spies freaks/ Aliens. Hayden and Blake... time has been put into them but nothing much has come from it other than Blake who has dethroned Hayden talent wise. I still dont see either one of them moving on to the next step, WSBK. Do they develope them or do they (riders) just negotiate a good multi year deal because they are the better riders in AMA?

Graves, again big bucks to afford top riders. Hayes has always been said to be good on a SBK and proved it from the get go. developed him, meh I don't think so. Harrin and Aquio (sp?). Harrin has peaked from what I've seen and Aquio isn't even on the Garves team anymore.

So point being the better riders can usually negotiate longer term deals because they just can.

 

[Map8]

Zemke raced at Daytona this year in DSB. He was part of my response. Isn't that a funny way of showing he doesn't want to race in the AMA.

As for the rest, keep working that shovel.

 

[sidewazzz]

Zemke raced at Daytona this year in DSB. He was part of my response. Isn't that a funny way of showing he doesn't want to race in the AMA.

As for the rest, keep working that shovel.

Let's make it easy for you.

Hacking doesn't want to be apart of DMG.

Hopper went to better his future. Racing AMA would have been his LAST choice.

Zemke... Had his time at Jordan. I never said he wouldn't race AMA because that's where he's been at the last 10 years.

 

[mjrydsfast]

Dumb is as dumb does.

Re-read the question. I clearly stated "Does anyone else think Ben should have won another AMA Superbike title by now?" and that was my implication in option two. Ben's awesome on his day but lacks the fire to win every weekend the way Fogarty, Doohan or Rossi has.

the poll question is dumb because bboz won the ama sbk title already lol that second option needs to be reworded...

he also won the ama supersport title as well

ben is too much of a philosopher to win the bike title I think...

 

[sidewazzz]

Re-read the question. I clearly stated "Does anyone else think Ben should have won another AMA Superbike title by now?" and that was my implication in option two. Ben's awesome on his day but lacks the fire to win every weekend the way Fogarty, Doohan or Rossi has.

Maybe the field is much stronger from when he did win the title.