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Left turner get 60 days

Wow. That just not seem right.
 
Typical for california where they decriminalize everything.:mad
Justice wasn't served for sure.
 
RIP rider. Condolences to family.

Even if the left turner gets 3 years in jail ... or 10 years ... that won't give back the loss of life.

My take in this is ... no matter who's right or wrong, motorcyclists will always lose. It's flesh and bones against metal.

When riding in crowded areas, I go slow and treat left turners as if they are deadly diseases.
In other circumstances, when the light went green for me, i checked before I started rolling, a car crossed the red light at high speed. Another time was last week with a big rig crossing the red light at the same spot (Hwy 101 & Lawrence Expressway). I'd be dead by now if I had not checked.
 
this sorta think happens to cyclists all the time. If they were killed in some other manner then the sentence would be completely different. It's not really about punishing the one person but letting others know that killing someone through negligence is serious.
 
That "article" is pretty light on details for me to make a call. Not that anyone's asking my opinion--they never seem to. I'd be curious to know more.
 
I wonder why the charge was misdemeanor homicide and not felony manslaughter.

honestly, locking someone up for years for accidentally killing another person has never sat right with me. if they are remorseful & lose their license, im cool with 60 days.
 
We are responsible for our own safety out there, never forget that! The minute you let your guard down is the time you may f*ck up somebody's life for 2 month and yours forever. Even if they look right at you is no guarantee they won't just drive right in your way and boom. Be careful out there brothers and sisters we need as many riders as we can so don't get killed.

An instructor recently said to me I don't say ride safe anymore but ride smart. That resonated with me .

So RIDE SMART, :ride
 
I'm surprised she got jail time at all actually. SMIDSY!
 
1962siia said:
Not much more info but here is an earlier article. https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6343391-181/motorcyclist-killed-in-santa-rosa?ref=related&sba=AAS
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Thanks! Yeah, I did a little digging and found several versions of the same information prior to your posting this. There wasn't mention of drugs/alcohol or anything else--just that a van hit a rider.

Perhaps it was just a straight-up accident. They do happen. I don't know what form justice takes if that's indeed the case.
 
Considering we don’t normally see jail time for an accident like this, I’m good with 60 days. If she wasn’t drunk or stoned or racing her homie to the bar, then, much as some might dislike it, it was likely a careless mistake, not a malicious act.
 
DucatiHoney said:
just that a van hit a rider.
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From the little info gathered from the links above, it seems, technically, the rider hit a van. I’ve learnt here on BARF, and am VERY thankful, that upon identifying a possible left-turner, to slow down, cover the brakes, weave and flash the brights, sometimes all simultaneously. RIP, fellow rider.
 
dravnx said:
60 days jail time for killing a motorcyclist. :wtf
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/9716322-181/santa-rosa-woman-sentenced-to
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budman said:
Wow. That just not seem right.
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Whammy said:
Typical for california where they decriminalize everything.:mad
Justice wasn't served for sure.
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I can't say for sure, but let's operate under the assumption that Teri Hoyle, 43, of Santa Rosa is just a normal person who was driving her mini van home from work that day. She made a mistake, turned without yielding the right of way, and caused a collision which resulted in the death of a motorcyclist. She wasn't drunk, she wasn't on drugs, she wasn't driving recklessly, she didn't intentionally run him down. Just a tragic traffic accident.

Assuming, again, that she is a normal human being, living with the fact that she is responsible for taking away someone's husband/father/brother/son is probably punishment enough.

The accident was in November of 2016, so for the last 2.5 years she has been dealing with her case moving through the system, culminating in her jury trial. At sentencing the victims family was present and victim impact statements were read. That has to be a pretty terrible experience.

Now that that's over she gets to go to jail. Imagine that you are going to go to jail for the next 8 weeks starting tomorrow. This is more than a minor inconvenience. Will you have a job when you get out? FMLA doesn't cover jail. Who will take care of all your responsibilities while you are gone? Hopefully you have a solid support network that will care for your kids or your pets and pay your bills or whatever else needs to happen in your absence.

Now that you are out of jail you get to do 240 hours of community service; that's a full month of 8 hour work days. But of course no one does it all at once, so she'll probably spend her Saturdays picking up trash along side the road for the next 6 months to 1 year.

She also gets supervised formal probation for the next three years. Formal probation means she meets with her probation officer regularly, she can't travel out of state without permission, she probably has to do some counseling or classes, she'll be drug tested and she better not screw up or she could head back to jail all over again. Terms vary and are set by the judge, but just like jail time, formal probation is more than a minor inconvenience.

For a meth head skeez ball career criminal all this stuff is probably just par for the course. But for a normal productive member of society, all this stuff is way more than just 60 days in jail then it's all over.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing that justice was served, I'm not saying weather or not the punishment fits the crime. All I'm saying is that it's easy to scoff at a 60 day sentence and declare we should throw the book at her. But her actual punishment is much more than that; from start to finish it will be about 6 years before she can put her legal proceedings behind her. Not to mention whatever effects it has had on her career and emotional state.

I realize that the motorcyclist is gone forever and his family has to deal with that for the rest of their lives, not just 6 years. Before you jump down my throat, I'm not trying to side with the motorist, I'm not saying that Teri Hoyle's life has more value than Alfred Lemay's did or vice versa. I'm not even really expressing my personal opinions on this matter, I'm just presenting an alternate view point for the BARF hive mind to mull over.
 
Playing Devil's advocate for a moment:

Jailtime isn't the only ruler for a punishment's severity. She's no doubt facing fines, community service, probation, and a permanent record that will likely be an anchor on her career and livlihood for the rest of her life.

Also, I strongly feel that jail should be reserved for violent criminals and offenders who are highly likely to relapse into crime. This woman fits neither of those profiles.

I'm not dismissing her offense here, or trying to defend her actions in any way, but I find that motorcyclists tend to grab their pitchforks and torches every time something like this happens, seeking "eye for an eye" punishments where they aren't warranted.
 
Dub, thanx for putting it in perspective. Initial gut reaction is hang her from the nearest tree. The facts change that.
We saw the same thing when a dude driving a brodozer rear ended a car. The collision killed two women sitting in the back seat of the car. There was a lot of public outrage over his sentence.
 
Typical California fashion....The criminal get's a slap on the hand and the victim gets punished the most.
 
The punishment should be severe enough to send a message to pay attention else your life will be fucked also.
 
thedub said:
I can't say for sure, but let's operate under the assumption that Teri Hoyle, 43, of Santa Rosa is just a normal person who was driving her mini van home from work that day. She made a mistake, turned without yielding the right of way, and caused a collision which resulted in the death of a motorcyclist. She wasn't drunk, she wasn't on drugs, she wasn't driving recklessly, she didn't intentionally run him down. Just a tragic traffic accident.

Assuming, again, that she is a normal human being, living with the fact that she is responsible for taking away someone's husband/father/brother/son is probably punishment enough.

The accident was in November of 2016, so for the last 2.5 years she has been dealing with her case moving through the system, culminating in her jury trial. At sentencing the victims family was present and victim impact statements were read. That has to be a pretty terrible experience.

Now that that's over she gets to go to jail. Imagine that you are going to go to jail for the next 8 weeks starting tomorrow. This is more than a minor inconvenience. Will you have a job when you get out? FMLA doesn't cover jail. Who will take care of all your responsibilities while you are gone? Hopefully you have a solid support network that will care for your kids or your pets and pay your bills or whatever else needs to happen in your absence.

Now that you are out of jail you get to do 240 hours of community service; that's a full month of 8 hour work days. But of course no one does it all at once, so she'll probably spend her Saturdays picking up trash along side the road for the next 6 months to 1 year.

She also gets supervised formal probation for the next three years. Formal probation means she meets with her probation officer regularly, she can't travel out of state without permission, she probably has to do some counseling or classes, she'll be drug tested and she better not screw up or she could head back to jail all over again. Terms vary and are set by the judge, but just like jail time, formal probation is more than a minor inconvenience.

For a meth head skeez ball career criminal all this stuff is probably just par for the course. But for a normal productive member of society, all this stuff is way more than just 60 days in jail then it's all over.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing that justice was served, I'm not saying weather or not the punishment fits the crime. All I'm saying is that it's easy to scoff at a 60 day sentence and declare we should throw the book at her. But her actual punishment is much more than that; from start to finish it will be about 6 years before she can put her legal proceedings behind her. Not to mention whatever effects it has had on her career and emotional state.

I realize that the motorcyclist is gone forever and his family has to deal with that for the rest of their lives, not just 6 years. Before you jump down my throat, I'm not trying to side with the motorist, I'm not saying that Teri Hoyle's life has more value than Alfred Lemay's did or vice versa. I'm not even really expressing my personal opinions on this matter, I'm just presenting an alternate view point for the BARF hive mind to mull over.
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Good post but you forgot civil court to ruin her financially.
 
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