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Letting trans-gender teens into locker rooms of opposite sex?

Climber

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New state bill on transgender students
While I can understand that things are tough for people born with an opposite sex identity, I'm not ready to believe that letting people with a boys body go take a shower in the girls room just because they identify themselves as a boy.

Also, I don't think that it's fair for a person born with a boys body and a boys development be allowed to simply compete as a girl in sports where their male body gives them an unfair advantage, that opens up all kinds of issues. So what if they identify as a girl, they should still compete against boys where the competition is fair.

I was wondering what other people's take on this is.

Note: While this is a 'political' bill, it seems like it's more of a philosophical discussion even if it may break down in roughly political lines. If it turns political I would be ok for mods to then move it to the political form.
 
Climber said:
...I'm not ready to believe that letting people with a boys body go take a shower in the girls room just because they identify themselves as a boy...
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All I can say is have a boys body, identify myself as a boy and love to shower with girls! You saying as a boy you would rather shower with boys? :twofinger
 
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If they've had sex-change surgery, then OK.........but if not, then no, they shouldn't be allowed.

The San Francisco policy has been in place since the mid to early 1990s, and district officials know of about 150 current middle school students and 300 high school students who identify as transgender,
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This might not be PC of me to say, but I don't think a middle-school student is old enough to call themselves transgender. At that age, a lot of them probably have some kind of self-esteem issue that's confusing them.
 
Climber said:
Also, I don't think that it's fair for a person born with a boys body and a boys development be allowed to simply compete as a girl in sports where their male body gives them an unfair advantage, that opens up all kinds of issues. So what if they identify as a girl, they should still compete against boys where the competition is fair.
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The article you linked to said there is already a CIF policy allowing just that. This new proposed law wouldn't have any bearing on that at all.

As for me... I like the apparent contradiction in that they are asking for coed facilities, and at the same time vehemently denying the fact that (once they become co-ed) they wouldn't be "really" co-ed. :loco
 
I really have a problem with the sports competing thing. I don't see how a boy can carry and use his body, develop his strength, etc, then have the surgery, then have it be fair to the girls. I know they do hormone therapy but....

The solution to the former is a third set of bathrooms. Laugh all ya want, but that's the only solution I can come up with...Maybe even a fourth. Sheesh.
 
Call me crazy but I dare wonder why we're afraid of seeing each other naked in the first place.
 
* allow the transgender person to decide which locker room to use; whichever they feel more comfortable in.

* politically viable answer may be separate locker rooms or other designated area

* what about effeminate gay guys showering in the guys locker room?
or effeminate straight guys (it is after all SF)?
what about hermaphrodites (has both sex organs)?

i say we standardize.
instead of a male, female locker room. we have a "penis" locker room and "vagina" locker room. if you have both you can pick. if you have neither - fuck you, you dirty hippie.

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Call me crazy but I dare wonder why we're afraid of seeing each other naked in the first place.
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do you have a hot teenage daughter?
you'd be okay with horny teenage boys watching her shower? i sure as hell wouldn't.
 
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Call me crazy but I dare wonder why we're afraid of seeing each other naked in the first place.
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It's like letting kids into bars. In Europe, it's not a problem because kids grow up used to it.

In our puritanical society (Not nearly as bad as it was in the 60's & 70's when I grew up, but still has a long way to go) our kids are not adequately prepared for seeing the other sex naked.

You don't need to look beyond the attitude towards breast-feeding in public in parts of this country to see this clearly.
 
I still think that there is no reason for separate locker rooms.
 
Climber said:
It's like letting kids into bars. In Europe, it's not a problem because kids grow up used to it.

In our puritanical society (Not nearly as bad as it was in the 60's & 70's when I grew up, but still has a long way to go) our kids are not adequately prepared for seeing the other sex naked.

You don't need to look beyond the attitude towards breast-feeding in public in parts of this country to see this clearly.
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That's basically what I was getting at. Go to a beach in Europe and you'll see topless chicks and little boys co-existing in the same space. 'Merica needs to stop building walls between one another.

It's only weird if you make it weird.

Same goes for transgenders, people in society are afraid of them to the point where we are having a debate about which (already segregated) locker room to put them in... that's the real problem if you ask me, people don't know how to deal with those who don't conform to rigidly specific gender identities to the point that it scares us.
 
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Just make it one damned fucking locker room-- for those that are worried about shenanigans, that's why you have teachers and/or coaches to keep order.

I remember at first being bothered when women-- usually trainers, but sometimes women's sports teams-- would come through the men's locker room, especially right by the showers... and then I got over it. Never did get over the whole peeing in a cup drug test, while someone else was holding the cup. Male or female, that's just awkward :laughing

As for the performance issues, no answers there that wouldn't screw over the occasional exceptional athlete in some way because they happened to have (or not have) testicles.
 
Dude, if I had to pee in a cup that someone else was holding, it would be hard not to "accidentally" miss and pee on his/her hand.
 
Great timing!
The Adolescent Procedure and Policy in Juvenile Halls all over the State are finally getting on Board with policies that address transgendered youth. Helping with the current policy is rather interesting not only because it is the right thing to do, the legal thing to follow but the responses of some adults is priceless.

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