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Life Sentence Handed Down In Pittsburg Cop Killing

SpeedyCorky said:
which leads me to think, that, more or less, if u r a guard in a bank, someone robs the bank, you can pretty indiscriminantly open fire, and if u hit a couple bistandars - well whatever not your fault, cuz the robber is gonna get charged with the murder.

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Exactly. Where do I sign up? :laughing
 
SpeedyCorky said:
which leads me to think, that, more or less, if u r a guard in a bank, someone robs the bank, you can pretty indiscriminantly open fire, and if u hit a couple bistandars - well whatever not your fault, cuz the robber is gonna get charged with the murder.

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It certainly would not protect you from severe civil liability. If it were proven that you were negligent in your shooting, you would also be tried and convicted for manslaughter while the robbers would be charged with murder for the same death(s).
 
wouldn't mind checking out that death penalty on pay per view. too bad so sad for the piece of shit who spends his whole sorry sack of shit life in the pen. hope he gets broke off good like a little bitch.
so sad for the families involved
 
Imagine if we spent that $40k on some of these kids just one time to try and change their lives instead of $40k every year for the rest of their lives punishing them. We have this kind of knee jerk reaction that has us locking them away but not paying attention to the root causes in our society that gets them there. Not that we shouldn't be locking the unsalvageable ones away; we just don't seem to talk much about the salvageable ones. Or putting much energy into them. Just take a moment to look at that.
 
929rider said:
If I remembered correctly, the guards already served the two well at the county jail when they were first arrested.
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Horaay for the Deps at MDF!

I just wanted to join in, in saying Fuck those two idiots. It's to bad torture is illegal.
 
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JimE said:
Imagine if we spent that $40k on some of these kids just one time to try and change their lives instead of $40k every year for the rest of their lives punishing them. We have this kind of knee jerk reaction that has us locking them away but not paying attention to the root causes in our society that gets them there. Not that we shouldn't be locking the unsalvageable ones away; we just don't seem to talk much about the salvageable ones. Or putting much energy into them. Just take a moment to look at that.
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What do teachers and guidance counselors get paid for? Ultimately though it comes down to the lack of parenting.
 
VFRrider said:
What do teachers and guidance counselors get paid for? Ultimately though it comes down to the lack of parenting.
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Some people think that if we wallpapered the schools with $100 bills that the kids would be smarter. Oh, no.. pay the teachers better.. yeah, that's it! Make the teachers millionaires and they will TRY HARDER to do their job and the kids will then not turn to a life of crime and poor decision making. Yeah, that’s the answer!

VFRider is right... the kids need better role models and parents that instill good morals and values. They need parents that get involved with their education and place a high value on good decision making and accepting responsibility for your actions.

That is why a 6th generation welfare case will usually turn out a 7th generation welfare kid that was brought up here with a pocket full of excuses, inbred with a “victim” mentality whereas an immigrant that instills discipline and good values will turn out a valedictorian that arrived here at age 10 with no previous formal education (and no English skills to speak of). One will end up in jail/prison while the other will graduate Stanford with honors.
 
"It takes a whole village to raise a child".

Polynesian quote?
 
rdagloria said:
That is the most ludicrous statement I've read on Barf in while. So I guess the rest of the constitution doesn't apply the rest of us American's because the framers crafted it over 200 hundred years ago, and we didn't vote on that either. Shit, in that case, I guess I can rape, plunder and pilliage at my leisure, because hell, laws shouldn't apply to me, I had no say in there inseption, so I should be able to do whatever I want. What's cruel and unusual is that this piece of shit, had no remorse or conscience, and didn't think twice about commiting armed robbery AT THE AGE OF 17! Jesus Christ can you say, career criminal. If this goon, had no problem with that at 17, then I'm glad he is off the streets, because he would surely move on to even worse crimes, which could possibly envolve YOUR family members, how would you like that shit! If you have the balls enough to shoot at a fucking cop, that is able to return fire, and your conscience of that choice, then I'd be terrified as a civilian with no weapon to defend myself. Lock that fucker up and his accomplice and throw away the key. Two less animals off the street.:thumbup
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Except he didn't actually shoot at the cop. I'm not saying that the kid shouldn't be going away to jail for a long time, but I think it is wrong that you can be sentenced to life without a chance at parole for something you did when you were 17 where you didn't kill someone.

Besides, from society's perspective, what is better: a life without parole inmate who has absolutely no incentive towards good behavior for whom taxpayers will be footing the bill for his entire life or an inmate who may be better behaved and may become reformed enough to be released decades from now. If you give the guy the shot at parole but he turns out to be your stereotypical uncontrollable inmate, you lose nothing. If you don't give him a shot at parole but he might have turned things around, you lose a lot.
 
bertocci said:
Besides, from society's perspective, what is better: a life without parole inmate who has absolutely no incentive towards good behavior for whom taxpayers will be footing the bill for his entire life or an inmate who may be better behaved and may become reformed enough to be released decades from now. If you give the guy the shot at parole but he turns out to be your stereotypical uncontrollable inmate, you lose nothing. If you don't give him a shot at parole but he might have turned things around, you lose a lot.
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Why did you leave out the third case? If you give the guy the shot at parole but he turns out to be your stereotypical uncontrollable inmate and is yet released, you may lose your life. Now, would it have been too expensive for the taxpayers to foot the bill for the rest of his life?
 
It's not like society is losing a contributing member.

Bye bye, kid. Enjoy the next 50 years in a small concrete box.

THuG lYFE ain't so great now, is it?
 
bertocci said:
The kid was 17 and didn't hurt anyone, yet a law crafted by legislators that he wasn't allowed to vote for has put him in jail for the rest of his life. That's cruel and unusual.
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Ask the bank teller and the clerk that he and his partner robbed at gunpoint if they were fine with that. A 17 year old who is involved in armed robbery is NOT a kid, he's a young man we don't need running free in society.
 
bertocci said:
Besides, from society's perspective, what is better: a life without parole inmate who has absolutely no incentive towards good behavior for whom taxpayers will be footing the bill for his entire life or an inmate who may be better behaved and may become reformed enough to be released decades from now.
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Here's the problem, three/four years later he shows no sign of remorse. You can bet if he had he'd have gotten the lighter sentence. This is not a guy who's going to turn it around in prison. Here's a guy who has worked his way up to armed robbery by the time he's 17, he's already a career criminal, willing to use the prospect of death to take what he wants from someone else, simply because he wants it.

As to those who think we could more wisely spend our tax dollars, well, yes we could, IF we could agree on what constitutes "more wisely" and even if we could, it will take generations to fix the problems because they took generations to create. In the mean time what do you do about those already in prisons? Spend more money to educate inmates? We can't find enough qualified people to teach in regular schools, what makes you think you can find them to teach in prisons?
 
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while true u cant get anyone to teach in prisons.... it is also true that those prisoners who volenteer willingly to educate themselves - are usually about 10x more modivated and care about 10x more and try 10x as hard as your average public school student.

not that i'm saying we should spend a penny on educating our prison population - fry 'em or lock 'em up and throw away the key as far as i care.... just a odd and funny little fact i thought i'd share
 
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