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Lincecum won the Cy Young? Again? Really?

There's no denying he had a great year. I think if Wainwright and Carpenter weren't on the same team one of them would have walked away with it, though. They were similar enough to split a lot of votes.
 
Fun fact: Lincecum didn't get as many first place votes as Wainwright (12 to 11), and didn't get as many second place votes as Carpenter (14 to 12).
 
mikev said:
The goal of the TEAM is to win games. The pitcher cannot control that by himself, I mean unless you only count a win if a pitcher throws a shutout AND drives in a few runs himself. The goal of the pitcher is to get the opposing hitters out.

Do you really think a pitcher is good if he, say, gives up 6 runs but his team scored 8 runs, so the pitcher is awarded a win?
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Good points, but I am factoring in that CC pitched in a much brighter spotlight on a much bigger stage than Greinke, at a more pivotal point in his teams season, and those are the "intangibles". Yes, CC was on better team, a WAY better team, but he delivered, just like he did when he wasn't on a better team.

... AND I HATE THE FREAKIN YANKEES! <= I have to keep saying that.
 
That makes no sense. He wasn't better, and if Greinke was in his spot New York would have been even better than they were this year. What the team does is irrevalent when you're talking about an individual award.
 
mikev said:
That makes no sense. He wasn't better, and if Greinke was in his spot New York would have been even better than they were this year. What the team does is irrevalent when you're talking about an individual award.
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:dunno Just my opnion....

How many MVP's come from losing teams?
 
I tried, but the cross referencing is a bit taxing, but it appears that a good majority of the MLB MVP's have come from non playoff teams thus making them from losing teams.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
:dunno Just my opnion....

How many MVP's come from losing teams?
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There are 2 explanations for this, though.

1. The best players are usually on the best teams.

2. The voters are dumb. As I've said several times already, it's an INDIVIDUAL award, the team the player is on is not a relevant piece of information.

or, rather, it shouldn't be.
 
mikev said:
There are 2 explanations for this, though.

1. The best players are usually on the best teams.

2. The voters are dumb. As I've said several times already, it's an INDIVIDUAL award, the team the player is on is not a relevant piece of information.

or, rather, it shouldn't be.
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I see the other side, what if a statistically good player is padding his stats at the expense of the team?
 
Psychochik said:
I tried, but the cross referencing is a bit taxing, but it appears that a good majority of the MLB MVP's have come from non playoff teams thus making them from losing teams.
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You mean like the 1993 Giants that won 100+ games (EDIT: 103-59) with Barry Bonds winning the MVP and yet they still didn't make the playoffs?
 
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Psychochik said:
More than you think.

Lemme go find some solid proof but I know of a few that came from non playoff teams.
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The best example is Andre Dawson, who won in 1987 for the Cubs. He hit 49 Hr, drove in 137, had an OPS of .896, and the Cubbies finished dead last at 76-85.
I see the other side to it too, there's a lot more value on a team who's contending. I mean, w/o Dawson that year, the Cubs finish... last anyway.
 
Climber said:
I guess getting caught smoking pot didn't hurt him with this award.
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thats because the votes were in way before he got caught.. and i doubt that would have made a difference because they look at his statistics, not his background..
 
Johndicezx9 said:
I see the other side, what if a statistically good player is padding his stats at the expense of the team?
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How can a pitcher pad his stats at the expense of the team?
A Quarterback, maybe. But pitching stats? I don't see how good pitching stats can be detrimental to the team in certain scenarios.
 
Human Ills said:
How can a pitcher pad his stats at the expense of the team?
A Quarterback, maybe. But pitching stats? I don't see how good pitching stats can be detrimental to the team in certain scenarios.
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That had more to do with the MVP aspect of the discussions as it was brought up that an MVP player can be on a bad team. (Although the Dawson example is a good one, a great player on a bad team, and no matter what he did, the Cubs weren't going to win many games.)

... and every year that Barry Bonds won the MVP, whether with the Pirates or Giants, his team finished first or second in their respective divisions, but they were all well over .500...
 
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hcop33 said:
thats because the votes were in way before he got caught.. and i doubt that would have made a difference because they look at his statistics, not his background..
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Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
Number of games played.
General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
Former winners are eligible.
Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

I guess smoking marijuana and driving doesn't count. :|
 
b.rock said:
Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
Number of games played.
General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
Former winners are eligible.
Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

I guess smoking marijuana and driving doesn't count. :|
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Give him credit, he wasn't doing both at the same time...
 
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