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Martial art?

tuxumino said:
when you say traditional how traditional are you looking for?
do you want a formal Japanese school with belts, gis and ritual or are you looking for a single system that hasn't added boxing and jujitsu and become a mma.
Are you looking for an external style or an internal style, are you looking for fighting applications or learning a complete system.
How far do want to travel for classes, how much are you willing to pay and what kind of schedule are you looking for?

How long do you want to practice this art: one year, 3 years or a life time.
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I have a ichidan in Okinawan Shuri-te/Hakutsuru.(non sport)(Both internal/ex) I studied for 6 yrs in Fla and another in AZ in the same system.. Now that I'm finally settled in(after four years) and I'm looking for another traditional Okinawan school or teacher.

Fighting others MMA style has it's merits but is not my focus. Training everyday, learning everyday, is. I miss the body conditioning and the Chi gung. I miss my old school.. :( My old teacher was an amazing fighter, she's going to be tough to match.

If anyone know what I'm talking about you know this is something you can do when you get old.. I managed 7 years 4-5 times a week training with very few injuries.. Only two knee surgeries and they didn't really slow me down.

So I'm looking for a traditional 'kata heavy' teacher to further my studies.. I don't mind running Kata.
 
I took Krav Maga and Judo for several years at SDI (Self Defense Institute) in Fremont.
They have cage matches where you can compete when you are ready, or come to watch others compete. Competing is not mandatory, but it is fun to face off with guys using different techniques.

They have very good instructors and each self defense has it's own special instructor.
Also, you can take any class you want their several times thrughout the week as many times as you want.
they have tai kwon do, judo, krav maga, and more.

Krav maga is a great defense to start learning.
Although Krav Maga is more of an offense, not a defense like asian martial arts.
Krav Maga is Hebrew for street combat and it is just that, it teaches you combat techniques.

Although I found Judo to be really fun too.
After taking both I would mix some moves and techniques that I got really good at.
Although Judo has alot of kicking techniques and IMO if you are not super quick,
a roundhouse in a streetfight would be easily capitolizable and a bad idea.
I could find way more uses for Krav Maga in real world fighting than I could find uses for Judo.
And AFAIC, a high kick in a street fight is just not too good of an idea for several reasons which
is why I wanted to stay away from martial arts where foot use is a primary tactic, kinda like
tae kwon do/kick boxing.

But anyway OP, my vote is for krav maga. easily learnable, and easily doable techniques
that are very affective.
 
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Mille Racer 69 said:
Although Krav Maga is more of an offense, not a defense like asian techniques.
Krav Maga is Hebrew for street combat and it is just that, it teaches you combat techniques.
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Huh?

The traditional karate I learned didn't seem that defensive, or non-combat oriented. In fact, it was pretty vicious and brutal.
 
Cheyenne said:
Huh?

The traditional karate I learned didn't seem that defensive, or non-combat oriented. In fact, it was pretty vicious and brutal.
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In asian martial arts they don't teach you how to take guns and knives away from your opponents, then to use it on them.
they also don't teach you alot of techniques of what to do when you are
on the ground or outnumbered because in asian martial arts you have respect
for your apponent and it is always 1 on 1, you take your turn fighting.
Krav maga is like...
so someone has a knife to your throat or to your back,
you are taught good techniques to get the weapon away, then while the
person is down, you use it on them.
K M teaches you to win a fight when the other person may be twice your size, or is fighting unfairly with a weapon.

I know what I was taught in Judo when someone pulls a knife and honestly...
Like I said, KM is more of a real world type of fighting style, not a self defense.
Only way to find out is to take them both and see the differense.
again, SDI is a great school and teaches both of those styles.
I think they even do like a free quick demo lessons to see if you would be interested.

I know, just from knowing both of the beginning fighting stances,
Judo seems to be like "ok watch for what he's gonna do"
while KM stance to me says "ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!"

Also with KM you look at your environment around you to see if anything can be used as a weapon, while with Judo, it was basically hands and feet unless you want to persue a specialized
weapon and be trained in using that weapon.

I mean, in Judo we did learn to take away other weapons (several of which techniques are very similar to other fighting styles such as KM) so I don't want to try to sound like asian martial arts don't teach you good moves, but sometimes the moves require other variables and those variables may not be present at the time you need to use it.

Overall, KM is better more usable knowledge that is easy to remember. A buddy of mine started kickboxing the same time I started Krav Maga, but after I had finished Judo, and my KM techniques totally owned his punching and kicking techniques.
Although he did get me 1 time really good to the the cheek with a swinging back kick after he faked
a punch and almost knocked me out, but other than that, he was mostly unable to get any good shots on me with a few exceptions, mosta the time it was me knocking him off his feet and punching him.
then backing away and letting him get to his feet.
while he was down I could have done some submissive moves, but that woulda ended the match
and I wanted to keep going. after he kicked me in the face I then did a submissive move and won.

SDI has boxing rings and cages in their training rooms, that is where we were fighting.
 
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Mille Racer 69 said:
I took Krav Maga and Judo for several years at SDI (Self Defense Institute) in Fremont.
They have cage matches where you can compete when you are ready, or come to watch others compete. Competing is not mandatory, but it is fun to face off with guys using different techniques.

They have very good instructors and each self defense has it's own special instructor.
Also, you can take any class you want their several times thrughout the week as many times as you want.
they have tai kwon do, judo, krav maga, and more.

Krav maga is a great defense to start learning.
Although Krav Maga is more of an offense, not a defense like asian martial arts.
Krav Maga is Hebrew for street combat and it is just that, it teaches you combat techniques.

Although I found Judo to be really fun too.
After taking both I would mix some moves and techniques that I got really good at.
Although Judo has alot of kicking techniques and IMO if you are not super quick,
a roundhouse in a streetfight would be easily capitolizable and a bad idea.
I could find way more uses for Krav Maga in real world fighting than I could find uses for Judo.


sorry to get off target here but....judo has no kicks or punches. and Judo is easily the best self defense IMO, and I train Brazilian JIu Jitsu and a "level 3" in Krav. Krav is the one with mediocre muay thai kicks. I think Krav is alright, but here is the facts A girl is usually smaller and weaker( usually learning self defense) and to start trading blows with an attacker is dumb( dont start with the groin strikes and eye gouges either) . A proper Judo throw can easily hurt someone on the street , and a little newaza and done!
I know opinions are like assholes, but Krav is good for a beginner who knows nothing, it is a jack of some trades, master of none martial art
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Mille Racer 69 said:
In asian martial arts they don't teach you..[Bunch of stuff they taught me deleted].
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You should check out some serious traditional karate, not all of it leaves out the new stuff, it just applies the basic techniques to those situations.

K M is just some mixes of the good old stuff, including karate.

All of our training was assuming multiple attackers, who are all technically better fighters than you are, and is geared towards winning in that type of situation. There is nothing sporting about it...it was ugly and mean.

(Though one guy who went to a regional competition cleaned house...all training in kata, no contact sparring. Beat everyone. First time in any kind of competition for him, he wanted to see if it really worked.)

In any case, in reading about K M it sounds pretty cool! The history of a style is always neat.

Interestingly, when I once got to hear the head of our school, Richard Kim, give a talk, he pointedly said a lot of things about the Jews....he had a lot of respect for them, he almost seemed to consider them a superior race.


Ironbutt: My vote goes to the Botoku-Kai organization, but I don't know if there is a school near you.
 
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sorry mille racer, but you are not very informed on Judo. Judoka are known for their aggression.
 
2strokebendejo said:
Mille Racer 69 said:
I took Krav Maga and Judo for several years at SDI (Self Defense Institute) in Fremont.
They have cage matches where you can compete when you are ready, or come to watch others compete. Competing is not mandatory, but it is fun to face off with guys using different techniques.

They have very good instructors and each self defense has it's own special instructor.
Also, you can take any class you want their several times thrughout the week as many times as you want.
they have tai kwon do, judo, krav maga, and more.

Krav maga is a great defense to start learning.
Although Krav Maga is more of an offense, not a defense like asian martial arts.
Krav Maga is Hebrew for street combat and it is just that, it teaches you combat techniques.

Although I found Judo to be really fun too.
After taking both I would mix some moves and techniques that I got really good at.
Although Judo has alot of kicking techniques and IMO if you are not super quick,
a roundhouse in a streetfight would be easily capitolizable and a bad idea.
I could find way more uses for Krav Maga in real world fighting than I could find uses for Judo.


sorry to get off target here but....judo has no kicks or punches. and Judo is easily the best self defense IMO, and I train Brazilian JIu Jitsu and a "level 3" in Krav. Krav is the one with mediocre muay thai kicks. I think Krav is alright, but here is the facts A girl is usually smaller and weaker( usually learning self defense) and to start trading blows with an attacker is dumb( dont start with the groin strikes and eye gouges either) . A proper Judo throw can easily hurt someone on the street , and a little newaza and done!
I know opinions are like assholes, but Krav is good for a beginner who knows nothing, it is a jack of some trades, master of none martial art
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wrong, yes they do, it is mostly hand techniques/holds/grapples but they absolutely do use their legs.
ever heard of a leg sweep?
I can't remember all the names of the moves, but they do use their feet/legs
in certain techniques.
none of the moves are actually kicking someone in the head or the kidney or anything,
they are more of sweeping motions aiding your hand attacks/holds/throws.
no real actual "kicks" at all compared to other fighting styles, but they do use
their legs to fight, no question about it.
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Aluisious said:
Aikido has a tradition extending almost 100 years :p

Definitely no Tapout nonsense there though. Aikido is philosophically opposed to that sort of thing.
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+1 on Aikido if you're looking for something traditional, and something you can continue to study for a very long time.
 
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