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Milk Crates? Need to move 1200lbs of lead.

Lights_Guy3 said:
Your parents are a lot nicer than mine. That's a good thing I guess!

I can't imagine any reaction aside from flat out laughter if I asked to store garbage on their property.

Find the person who will pay you "easily 5k" and give them a couple hundo in lead to do the leg work for you.

Crack open beer, enjoy.

However you do it, beer is mandatory.
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They live on almost an acre with plenty of room and my dad, like me, hates throwing away money.
 
Dubbington said:
:laughing You're bad at research and don't know what linotype sells for or clean harball lead in ingots. Cali banned lead wheel weights years ago so the free lead is gone. You just are hard of reading and likely not a 2A supporter.
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So you found a premium buyer?
 
tuxumino said:
seems to me the real issue is how much can you move at a time, yeah the crate holds 200 lbs but are you able to lift 200 lbs. It would be important to consider who's moving this, how much can they lift/carry and hw many trips are they going to have to make.
A hand truck moving a 200 lbs crate over concrete is doable but who's lifting that crate into the back of a pick up truck.
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Bingo. I'd put max 100lbs in each. I can lift 100lbs and wheel 200lbs. Take me a weekend, 1 day to fill crates and label and another to move. Looks like milk crates are the way to go.
 
Mike95060 said:
So you found a premium buyer?
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You guys are dumb. I'm not selling. With the new 11% new gun tax in play, the cost of ammo in 5-10 years will be insane if these lawsuits don't help. I'm happy to spend my weekend moving lend and be immune, relatively, to ammo prices. It will also be a hobby when I retire. It appears many are lost with how not easy or cheap it is to find lead for reloading.

https://www.rotometals.com/pallet-h...ots-1000-pounds-2-tin-6-antimony-and-92-lead/

Haven't been on BARF in a while. Ask for creative ways to move something from one spot to another, 99% of suggestions are to throw it away, sell, bury it :ROFLMAO:. Be no different than asking Harley or BMW for new motorcycle and being told to get a truck. Don't change BARF :laughing
 
1200 lbs of lead sounds like a burden to me. I don't shoot enough that reloading is in any way economical, so there's that. And I'm certainly not worried that I'm going to need a stockpile of ammo in the event of some catastrophe :laughing
 
Abacinator said:
1200 lbs of lead sounds like a burden to me. I don't shoot enough that reloading is in any way economical, so there's that. And I'm certainly not worried that I'm going to need a stockpile of ammo in the event of some catastrophe :laughing
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Lets run the numbers after making a few assumptions.

Assumption 1: Our boy dubbs is a bad ass. He's ONLY going to shoot a big, manly, gun. .50 BMG or bust.
Assumption 2: We know how crafty our hero is. He will make zero mistakes during his casting and reloading procedures. All of this lead is gonna make it downrange and on target!

According to this chart: Bullet weight per 100 rounds, 100 rounds of .50 BMG will weigh (bullets only not cartridges) 8.8 lbs.

Soo, 1200 lbs of lead / 8.8 pounds per 100 rounds = 136.4 X 100 = 13,636 Rounds of .50 BMG! Fuck yeah we are in business.

Now, being the dummy that I am, I don't really have a feel for how many rounds of ammunition a man needs to store in his garage to feel safe. What if thirteen thousand rounds isn't quite enough? What if we could be ok with a slightly smaller caliber round? How many bullets could we make then? What if .30-06 would be just as effective as the .50 BMG? Time to return to our chart and do that simple math again.

Our chart says 100 rounds of .30-06 will weigh in at 2.14 pounds per 100 bullets.

Soo, 1200 lbs of lead / 2.14 pounds per 100 rounds = 560.7 x 100 for a whopping 56,074 Rounds of .30-06 ammunition! I feel safer already.

At this point I would love to have some information on the average time it takes to cast 1 bullet and assemble 1 cartridge. I don't have that or even really a rough approximation of it so from here on it's all S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild Ass Guessing)

A quick look at the processes involved was quite revealing. The Process is outlined here: how to cast a bullet.
boolet making.png


Now I'm not sure how many molds our warrior arms maker has in his possession. Its a little tough to determine what the batch size of his process might be like. There may be some time savings he's got up his sleeve that I'm just to dumb to imagine and account for. Sadly the SWAG method does have its limitations.

So for arguments sake, lets say it takes our hero 1 minute to cast, and assemble 1 cartridge. We are ignoring any time spent on workstation set up, preparation of the brass casings, weighing of powder, any work done with primers, any clean up, any process time of cooling lead, any quality control steps, any measurements or adjustments in process that might need to happen for a normal person. Our boy genius is going to turn 1200 lbs of lead into perfect, ready to fire cartridges at the rate of one per minute anytime he wants. I mean look at the cutting bords he puts out! this should be a snap.

What are we looking at for labor time in the manly .50 BMG?

13,363 rounds = 13,363 minutes! that's only 222 hrs or 5.5 forty hour work weeks. This is too easy.

What if our hero wants a challenge? What does it look like time wise to cycle through all that lead for .30-06?

56,074 rounds = 56,074 minutes = 934 hrs or 23.4 forty hour work weeks. Still less than a years worth of work!

Wow. This has been revealing.

tldr: Dubs, I owe you an apology. Clearly 1200 lbs of lead isn't enough! I think you need to double up that amount ASAP. Prices and taxes WILL rise. You are ahead of the curve. Keep going.
 
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it's his hobby guys, and he's planning it for retirement. i'm sure your retirement plans are a waste of time and resources as well
 
Dubs you could store it in your water heater. It will make the water heater more efficient because less water is being heated AND it will prevent oxidization because it will be submerged.

/s
 
Most of us don't plan our hobbies thirty years in advance. :laughing
 
I’ve got a lot of sawdust he can have. It might keep for 30 years.
 
auntiebling said:
it's his hobby guys, and he's planning it for retirement. i'm sure your retirement plans are a waste of time and resources as well
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You're Right. I'm setting up to smelt my own titanium so i can have just the right tubing profiles on my custom, hand made bicycle. Luckily I don't have to source ore directly from Russia anymore.
 
Mike95060 said:
Lets run the numbers after making a few assumptions.

Assumption 1: Our boy dubbs is a bad ass. He's ONLY going to shoot a big, manly, gun. .50 BMG or bust.
Assumption 2: We know how crafty our hero is. He will make zero mistakes during his casting and reloading procedures. All of this lead is gonna make it downrange and on target!

According to this chart: Bullet weight per 100 rounds, 100 rounds of .50 BMG will weigh (bullets only not cartridges) 8.8 lbs.

Soo, 1200 lbs of lead / 8.8 pounds per 100 rounds = 136.4 X 100 = 13,636 Rounds of .50 BMG! Fuck yeah we are in business.

Now, being the dummy that I am, I don't really have a feel for how many rounds of ammunition a man needs to store in his garage to feel safe. What if thirteen thousand rounds isn't quite enough? What if we could be ok with a slightly smaller caliber round? How many bullets could we make then? What if .30-06 would be just as effective as the .50 BMG? Time to return to our chart and do that simple math again.

Our chart says 100 rounds of .30-06 will weigh in at 2.14 pounds per 100 bullets.

Soo, 1200 lbs of lead / 2.14 pounds per 100 rounds = 560.7 x 100 for a whopping 56,074 Rounds of .30-06 ammunition! I feel safer already.

At this point I would love to have some information on the average time it takes to cast 1 bullet and assemble 1 cartridge. I don't have that or even really a rough approximation of it so from here on it's all S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild Ass Guessing)

A quick look at the processes involved was quite revealing. The Process is outlined here: how to cast a bullet. View attachment 565501

Now I'm not sure how many molds our warrior arms maker has in his possession. Its a little tough to determine what the batch size of his process might be like. There may be some time savings he's got up his sleeve that I'm just to dumb to imagine and account for. Sadly the SWAG method does have its limitations.

So for arguments sake. Lets say it takes our hero 1 minute to cast, and assemble 1 cartridge. We are ignoring any time spent on workstation set up, preparation of the brass casings, weighing of powder, any work done with primers, any clean up, any process time of cooling lead, any quality control steps, any measurements or adjustments in process that might need to happen for a normal person. Our boy genius is going to turn 1200 lbs of lead into perfect, ready to fire cartridges at the rate of one per minute anytime he wants. I mean look at the cutting bords he puts out! this should be a snap.

What are we looking at for labor time in the manly .50 BMG?

13,363 rounds = 13,363 minutes! that's only 222 hrs or 5.5 forty hour work weeks. This is too easy.

What if our hero wants a challenge? What does it look like time wise to cycle through all that lead for .30-06?

56,074 rounds = 56,074 minutes = 934 hrs or 23.4 forty hour work weeks. Still less than a years worth of work!

Wow. This has been revealing.

tldr: Dubs, I owe you an apology. Clearly 1200 lbs of lead isn't enough! I think you need to double up that amount ASAP. Prices and taxes WILL rise. You are ahead of the curve. Keep going.
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This post is pure lead... I mean gold. Virtual high five to you!
auntiebling said:
it's his hobby guys, and he's planning it for retirement. i'm sure your retirement plans are a waste of time and resources as well
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I wouldn't call drinking beer, spending time with friends and family, vacationing and relaxing a lot a waste of time but hey, that's just me.
 
I could use some large fishing weights, 8-16oz. Wanna mail me some ingots in USPS FlatRate shipping boxes? I'll do $3/lb plus shipping.
 
auntiebling said:
it's his hobby guys, and he's planning it for retirement. i'm sure your retirement plans are a waste of time and resources as well
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Maybe true. But asking advice about a nonsensical situation and calling everyone dumb for their responses and "typical BARF thread" because he doesn't like what he hears is odd.

How about typical Dubbs thread is typical. Not my intention to pile on but calling everyone dumb when a big portion of responses were authentic is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot. No pun intended because it might be a bullet he cast out of his huge stash of rocks.
 
Kurosaki said:
Maybe true. But asking advice about a nonsensical situation and calling everyone dumb for their responses and "typical BARF thread" because he doesn't like what he hears is odd.

How about typical Dubbs thread is typical. Not my intention to pile on but calling everyone dumb when a big portion of responses were authentic is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot. No pun intended because it might be a bullet he cast out of his huge stash of rocks.
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I think the people that appear on that hoarders show don't just develop their mental illness overnight.

It's probably a lifelong downhill slide into this very peculiar way of thinking.

Until the intervention happens, every single one of them thinks it's the right thing to do and mocks others for suggesting otherwise.

And it's comically obvious to those on the outside looking in.


You're right on with the typical dubs thread. "hey guys, I want to do this thing in this particular way, what do you guys think?"

Everyone: "That's a bad idea and here's all the reasons why"

"Well I'm doing it anyways!", or equally as likely, just disappears from the thread


Dubs, it's not gold, it's lead. If it's really worth even half what you think it is, sell it and put it in S&P 500 fund. When your retirement comes, you'll have appreciated way more than essentially burying it on someone else's property.

Buy it as needed. You'll come out way ahead, you won't be a hoarder, you won't have to convince yourself and others that they are ok with storing your things for decades, etc. It's a big win all around.

You can do it, I really want to believe you can. It will be scary at first, but you'll feel a literal weight being lifted off. I think people here really are rooting for you.
 
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