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At least quote it right........

Because they'll hurt more, you twit!
 
You're not serious are you? FM 21-20 (The P.T. field manual) does not differentiate between MOS's. How hard is that to understand. If someone is grading harder than the standard just because they're "dogfaced", that's their choice but it doesn't make it right. In fact it's flat out wrong. There's ONE standard for the Army, period.

Sorry to keep straying off the topic, I'm not alone in my opinion about support units, you have a cool job and all and support does make up more of the army than combat arms but if you look at the overall fitness of a unit, combat arms are in much better shape. Manuals are great but they are just guidelines and not the give all end all of the military. I spent 22 years in uniform, 15 as a grunt and 7 as a pogue, airborne and mechanized infantry and military intelligence(counter intelligence) believe me I know both sides of the standard. How many 300's does your unit have? How many are from your female soldiers? In an infantry unit if you want to go to any of the cool schools(Ranger, Q course or anything like that) you better be in good shape or you aren't going. I was surprised by the number of support MOS's that were at airborne school that could barely do the PT.
I am a retired Master Sergeant and did 2 1/2 years as a First Sergeant, I've had to consel enough troops that were not meeting even our moderate standard. Good day.
 
I guess you haven't been in long enough to notice that regulations and standards are not hard in fast. The military makes up thier own internal standards as they feel like it, and bend the rules to accomplish what they want.

Which is why some are held to higher standards unofficially, while others are held to lower ones. I have seen both sides.

10 years. Thanks :|

There is one standard, period. If your leaders weren't following it, then they were training you wrong, period. Whether or not your unit abides by the FM's and AR's is not my problem. As for me, I train my Soldiers to standard and not one step below it.
 
Sorry to keep straying off the topic, I'm not alone in my opinion about support units, you have a cool job and all and support does make up more of the army than combat arms but if you look at the overall fitness of a unit, combat arms are in much better shape. Manuals are great but they are just guidelines and not the give all end all of the military. I spent 22 years in uniform, 15 as a grunt and 7 as a pogue, airborne and mechanized infantry and military intelligence(counter intelligence) believe me I know both sides of the standard. How many 300's does your unit have? How many are from your female soldiers? In an infantry unit if you want to go to any of the cool schools(Ranger, Q course or anything like that) you better be in good shape or you aren't going. I was surprised by the number of support MOS's that were at airborne school that could barely do the PT.
I am a retired Master Sergeant and did 2 1/2 years as a First Sergeant, I've had to consel enough troops that were not meeting even our moderate standard. Good day.


I'm not saying combat arms Soldiers aren't in better shape than support Soldiers. That's absolutely true. But I would be doing my Soldiers a disservice if I didn't lead by example and teach by the standard, which is the FM's and AR's. There's no substitution for the standard. In the aviation world, when people don't follow the standard, helicopters crash and civilians get injured or killed.

When I was still on active duty, we did have a few guys in the unit score 300s. None of them were females. That's not to say that the few females we had weren't shape, though. You also have to remember that when combat arms Soldiers are not in the field, there's not much for them to do besides PT. Especially Infantryman.

Now that I'm a reservist, it's an entirely different ballgame. The rules are regulations are still the same, but it's hard to find support from the senior leadership when it comes to punishing and training Soldiers properly so that they can pass their PT test and/or height and weight.

I understand that you were a 1SG and that bothers me because my biggest supporter on active duty with regards to training to standard was my 1SG. That guy was a rock when it came to FM's and AR's and training Soldiers.
 
Back on track.
 

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