Moto GP riders and flat track riding style?

[DaveT319]

It's internet bravado and know-it-all talk. You know, like many of you "experts" on here sound when you are speculating just the same as the rest of us.

And I think it probably IS beneficial, just they have a hard time putting their finger on WHY. But my explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've seen on the subject.

 

[sidewazzz]

Sorry, when you said faster, I assumed you meant lap times. Perhaps you could explain.

It's pretty simple, they are the fastest guys in the world. They continue to go as fast or faster every year. I'm not going to believe for one bid it doesn't help them in some way shape or form and computer data shows proves it. Thier (riders) data is greater than any computer and if a rider says it helps them brake harder/ deeper or even stablize the bike more, then it does.

 

[Zerox]

Stoner rarely does it though.

Stoner does it all the time.

Admit it you don't watch the races before posting.

 

[clutchslip]

And I think it probably IS beneficial, just they have a hard time putting their finger on WHY. But my explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've seen on the subject.

Can't debate that one.

I am not that strong, or too damn heavy to fling my leg out while heavy braking and the rear is flopping around. I want everything I can get touching the bike, so I can move to the inside "hang-off" before the turn-in. There isn't much touching, sometimes.

They really aren't doing a flat track position, in my opinion. But, what-ev-ar.

 

[stangmx13]

isn't the point of the flattrack leg out to move weight FORWARD to load the front tire more?

 

[sidewazzz]

isn't the point of the flattrack leg out to move weight FORWARD to load the front tire more?

Never flat tracked so I can't answer that one......

 

[rumpofsteelskin]

I've changed my mind. They do it for ball aeration. That's also why Rossi pulls down the taint section of his suit before each race: to clear the ball air intake valves.

 

[clutchslip]

isn't the point of the flattrack leg out to move weight FORWARD to load the front tire more?

Front tire doesn't do too much at speed. The front wheel and your left leg provide a pivot point when touching for the rear, which does most of the steering. The front tire is usually pointed out and just countering the rear slide. The rest of the time that your foot isn't down, it's waiting to save your sorry ass from sliding too much and falling down. Well, these are my experiences, anyway.

 

[Spec-ECU]

It's internet bravado and know-it-all talk. You know, like many of you "experts" on here sound when you are speculating just the same as the rest of us.

And I think it probably IS beneficial, just they have a hard time putting their finger on WHY. But my explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've seen on the subject.

I can tell you that those that continue to do it will continue to do it if they feel it does something for them.

A placebo effect.

 

[JO EBRMC]

It's internet bravado and know-it-all talk. You know, like many of you "experts" on here sound when you are speculating just the same as the rest of us.

And I think it probably IS beneficial, just they have a hard time putting their finger on WHY. But my explanation makes as much sense as anything else I've seen on the subject.

It is completely fair to speculate as long as you declare that you are doing so. I do it regularly. If I'm guessing, I will say to or preface a statement with "I think".

It's pretty simple, they are the fastest guys in the world. They continue to go as fast or faster every year. I'm not going to believe for one bid it doesn't help them in some way shape or form and computer data shows proves it. Thier (riders) data is greater than any computer and if a rider says it helps them brake harder/ deeper or even stablize the bike more, then it does.

That's not simple, it is simplistic.

They continued to go faster every year before everyone started waving their leg around. Going faster year over year says nothing about the benefits of hanging a leg off.

The only data anyone needs - and this is data the riders use - is whether the lap times when they do it are faster than when they don't. And they aren't.

 

[Yakoo752]

from the racer's I've talked to that do it regularly they mention they can better feel the application of the rear brake by doing so... that would imply however they use the rear brake a whole lot more and thats an anti-barf thought so we know it isn't true



some riders even use a positive spring on the rear brake so they get better feel as well... ie it applies pressure upward to the boot.

 

[sidewazzz]

That's not simple, it is simplistic.

They continued to go faster every year before everyone started waving their leg around. Going faster year over year says nothing about the benefits of hanging a leg off.

The only data anyone needs - and this is data the riders use - is whether the lap times when they do it are faster than when they don't. And they aren't.

No its pretty SIMPLE. Rider says it helps them and they can't tell you why they just know what it allows them to do.

That's it end of story, nothing about going faster nothing about data this data that. It helps them, some different than others. What so hard to understand?

 

[Spec-ECU]

I'm not even going to try to pretend to know how the GP guys do what they do, but if you can't explain why you do something, then it must not be very simple, is it?

 

[R1-Limited]

I do it




























































When I got to fart

 

[Ogier le Danois]

Can't debate that one.

I am not that strong, or too damn heavy to fling my leg out while heavy braking and the rear is flopping around. I want everything I can get touching the bike, so I can move to the inside "hang-off" before the turn-in. There isn't much touching, sometimes.

They really aren't doing a flat track position, in my opinion. But, what-ev-ar.

Trying to describe it in a way that people would recognize.

 

[afm199]

Move your body weight back slightly and makes it slightly easier to brake. You don't get any actual change other than a bit less effort.

 

[RaptorFA]

As for dragging elbow, that's probably mostly just to look awesome. But at the same time, I would imagine it has a lot to do with the position the rider is in when they take a corner. Some just have a riding style that puts their inside elbow out away from them, and so it drags. It's probably even similar to dragging the knee, in that they do it to gauge lean angle.

Yep, looks pretty awsome to me!!

I mean, LOOK AT THIS! You have to be so freakin good to get down this low and hug the line like that. I mean what would you say the contact patch is there, about 2mm? Man, it really IS awsome...

 

[R1-Limited]

isn't the point of the flattrack leg out to move weight FORWARD to load the front tire more?

Can we stop calling it a Flat Track Leg Out, has nothing to do with or even initiated by Trackers.

For Trackers, it is simply to to place foot on ground with Steel Shoe to assist in the control of the bike while sliding a motorcycle at speeds of 70 to 140 mph. A road Racer does not sit up at the end of a straight and toss it sideways with the gas on a Tracker does.

Rossi as folks stated, started this for no other reason but to Physc the field. A Flat Tracker initiall tossed the bike to the side, stick the foot to the ground and takes the foot up in what we call a Full Lock on the Pegs Fucking going for it. as amply demonstrated by Young Shayna Texter

 

[morthrane]

Lots of theories.

Has anyone considered that maybe its as simple as the crudest kind of gauge? That leg in the wind will be under the same decelerating braking force, and might give a rider an extra input in judging braking effort. No performance gains, just confidence gains. We're talking about pros here who can tell-- and use-- milimeter differences in chassis setup, not BARFers wobbling around a track.

 

[Feanor]

Maybe they're just trying to block the inside line?