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Motorcyclist vs. Train - San Leandro

Oh man... losing a passenger has got to be something that will stick with you forever.

:rip to the woman.

A lot of the riders in the group are probably not doing so well today either.
Sounds horrid.
 
Apparently someone was holding the crossing gates open to allow the bikes through before the train arrived. Not the brightest decision. I didn't even know it was possible to lift those gates.

Here's a gruesome account.
KRON4 story
 
So the analysis is a very bad decision. Waiting an extra few minutes would have been easy and I suppose pier pressure led to a really tragic event.
 
Wldr said:
Apparently someone was holding the crossing gates open to allow the bikes through before the train arrived. Not the brightest decision. I didn't even know it was possible to lift those gates.

Here's a gruesome account.
KRON4 story
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Dear lord.
 
Moved to general before Enchanter trys to clean up the analysis because they really is not any needed.
 
@budman, I can CA anything.

Crash Analysis: Peer pressure, needing / wanting to stay with the group, not wanting to be left behind, etc. All of these present themselves on any group ride and can lead to poor decisions.

If I was a family member of the deceased, I'd be going after the rider (and others) with a wrongful death suit.
 
Last night I hooked up with some muuuuuuch younger riders whom are in the riding ~ social media game and they showed me a vid of the incident. It was not graphic but it was shot from behind a group of riders who were still behind the people involved. I could tell the riders were worried as they tensed up and when the train passed they were obviously shocked and concerned.

You can see the bike in a news clip here. The back tire of it tells me a story.
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So the rider and passenger struck by the train were not the last in line by any means. Such a shitty decision. :rant

Saw a pic of the young woman killed too. So sad :(
 
budman said:
So the rider struck by the train were not the last in line by any means. Such a shitty decision. :rant
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It's one thing to ride like you don't care if you live or die.
To ride that way with a passenger is fucking inexcusable.

I've been thinking about these huge group rides recently.
Part of me is encouraged to see the rare examples our population getting together, but more and more, these big groups do nothing but undermine any goodwill and ambassadorship we've worked so hard to build.
 
Yeah, remember that SUV driver that was pulled from his car and beat up by a large group of riders? It happened in NY in 2013. His family was in the car with him. Group mentality kicks in and brains go feral.
 
Terrible story! Holding the gates open while a train is approaching sounds like a disaster waiting to happen and may make you at least partially responsible for the outcome.
RIP Passenger. :cry:
 
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I don't agree. What ever happened to taking self responsibility? The person holing up the gate (although very wrong and idiotic) did not make the decision for the other riders to cross when a train was coming.
 
Racinfrk said:
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I don't agree. What ever happened to taking self responsibility? The person holing up the gate (although very wrong and idiotic) did not make the decision for the other riders to cross when a train was coming.
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Why can't two things be equally true?
 
But their action encouraged riders to cross. They are part of the problem.
 
In the video I saw there was no one holding up the gates (on the ride in side).

I wonder if some how one bike got caught between and the people holding up the gate were trying to help them escape.. :dunno and don't know if we really will. Only those at the scene really know unless a random witness steps forward. Maybe it will come out in rider witness statements assuming Law Enforcement collected those.
 
^^^^ (reply to GixxerJeff)
They can, but in this case I feel they are not. Yes, they were both (the gate lifter and rider) wrong, but in the end it is up to us to make good decisions to be safe no matter what opportunities present themselves. I agree that this sucks for the victim, but it should not have happened.

If one comes up on a railroad crossing where the lights are flashing (with no gate that comes down to block traffic) and they decide to cross without looking and get hit, then who would be at fault?

I make decisions for me and my safety. It is my responsibility to get home safe (epically if I have a passenger). If I make a decision that puts me in a bad situation, then it is on me.
 
I don't disagree with what you're saying.
My only point is there was plenty of stupidity going on to pass around.
 
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