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my latest DUI checkpoint experience

CABilly said:
Because he was stopped and investigated with no probable cause, after having committed no crime. Why not mess with them? As the old saying police officers love to toss around goes, "if you're not doing anything wrong..."

I understand that checkpoints are "legal" and "optional." I've also seen plenty of people chased down and pulled over for opting out.
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place yourself in the officers position...you stop someone asked them to roll down thier window they refuse. first thing that comes to your mind is they must be drunk because there would be no other reason for his actions. and must be hinding something. all the police are trying to do is catch drunk drivers. i am not a cop but i do know quite a few of them. they have to deal with peoples bullshit on a daily basis and it gets old. if you dont want to get harrassed do wat is asked of it and thats the end of it.

i dunno i just dont get it. all of wat happened could have been avoided if he simply rolled down his window.
 
mikev said:
Doesn't that open a big can of worms though?

I mean, in that specific instance, what if the person you think did the crime actually didn't and confessed because they were scared or intimidated or insert any other adjective here, because of the deception/lie/etc.

If it were to come out later, like in court, that the confession was only given because of the false statements you made, wouldn't that nullify the confession?
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Nope.

The courts have said time and time again that we can use deception.
 
"So, yes, saying "It smells like you've been drinking tonight" (even if it doesn't)... is okay.

Using it to get him out of the car and administer an FST when it's not true, is not."

I don't think you can argue with this logic which is why I'm sure it will be ignore by everbody, but that's the bottom line right there.

Steve
 
Rel said:
Marlowe, I expect more from you....

A: What invented PC? The part where the officer lied and said he smelled the alcohol? We get to lie. People lie to cops. I'll ask someone if they've been drinking, and they say "NO." Then I tell them I can smell it on their breath, and they change their tune. Not invented BS. It's called a bluff.

B: What is there to complain about?

C: The OP, VOLUNTARLY drove into a DUI checkpoint. The OP did not have to drive into the checkpoint. The OP could have taken another route. There was a sign stating "Checkpoint ahead."
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I think the law about avoiding a checkpoint is different in Nevada.
+1 on exercising your rights OP.
 
it amazes me how quickly people that say they support the troops, can give up the rights that those troops fought and died for.
 
Kim said:
if an officer asks you to roll down your window why not just DO IT? especially if you have nothing to hide. he would have gotten stopped asked if he was drinking answered no and been on his way. instead i felt he decided to make the situation more complicated then it had to be..and made the officers question him the way they did.
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It would be even easier if the cops didn't have to ask, wouldn't it?
 
Rel said:
So, if someone breaks into your vehicle and steals your shit, and I tell the person who I think did the crime, that I have a witness, even when I don't and they confess to the crime, is it still BS?

Cops use deception. Its a tool to do our job.

We solve many crimes with deception, including auto (mc) thefts, hit and runs, assaults, and the raping of children.
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Wrap anyway you want Rel..still BS and I'm not buying what you're selling. :hand.

Telling someone (that is not a suspect in a crime and where no crime has even been committed) at a "voluntary" checkpoint (more BS BTW because if he whipped a u-turn and the LEO saw it they would chase him down) and then telling him they smell alcohol (when they don't) and therefore giving them probable cause to require him to blow and even search his vehicle if they wanted is BS.

Which BTW any half assed lawyer, fresh out of law school would get that thrown out.....but still cause the dude much grief, expense and hassle; that's why it's BS.

Some dude that was drunk and needed to get thrown in jail probably just waltzed by the checkpoint while they were exercising their egos. :rolleyes
 
MtnRacer said:
"So, yes, saying "It smells like you've been drinking tonight" (even if it doesn't)... is okay.

Using it to get him out of the car and administer an FST when it's not true, is not."

I don't think you can argue with this logic which is why I'm sure it will be ignore by everbody, but that's the bottom line right there.

Steve
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Ignore it all you want... still the truth.

People lie to the police all the time. Why is THAT acceptable?
 
Rel said:
However, this will rapidly devolve into a cop bashing thread.
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Let's limit the bashing, praise, or whatever is due to the supervisor who forced a breathalyzer by contriving cause.

Absent any other indication of impairment, they can't force BAC from me. And obviously I'm not volunteering.

He contrived the smell of alcohol on my breath to force BAC. I haven't had alcohol in weeks. I had nothing to drink but coffee in the morning and water all day. After brushing my teeth, no mints, no breath freshener, nothing of the kind.

You call this contrived evidence lying or bluffing?

The OP, VOLUNTARLY drove into a DUI checkpoint. The OP did not have to drive into the checkpoint. The OP could have taken another route. There was a sign stating "Checkpoint ahead."
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We've been over this before in other threads. Do you really think I submit to this voluntarily? (If I did I would cameras and microphones up the wazoo.) It was on a divided road with no U-turn possible and no right turn escapes. Nevada only has to place their sign a certain distance from the checkpoint.

why not just lower your window and be done with it?
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Answering questions of this nature would be like trying to describe a sunset to a blind person. Hmmm, OK try this... If some strangers said, "Show us your tits!" would you disrobe for them?
 
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You guys are all 100% right...

Cops are bad. DUI checkpoints are bad.

Do what you want, I'm done.
 
Kim said:
place yourself in the officers position...you stop someone asked them to roll down thier window they refuse. first thing that comes to your mind is they must be drunk because there would be no other reason for his actions. and must be hinding something. all the police are trying to do is catch drunk drivers. i am not a cop but i do know quite a few of them. they have to deal with peoples bullshit on a daily basis and it gets old. if you dont want to get harrassed do wat is asked of it and thats the end of it.

i dunno i just dont get it. all of wat happened could have been avoided if he simply rolled down his window.
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I can think of at least one other reason someone would not want to fully cooperate. Perhaps the fact that he had done nothing wrong, was minding his own business on his way home only to find his normal route barricaded by the police, who, as demonstrated, aren't just looking to chat. Automatic inconvenience, not to mention the implied insult.

Catching drunk drivers is hardly "all they're trying to do." Check up on the stats and what the ratio of DUI-related citations/impoundments/arrests compared to other crimes. Of course it's nice that the cops are catching people. It just sucks that, in order to do so, they have to treat EVERYONE like a criminal.
 
Rel said:
Again, the OP VOLUNTARILY drove into the checkpoint. If he did turn away, an officer would be required to find PC to make a stop. IE: no front plate, no license plate light, tinted windows, lighting, ball hitch to name a few.
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So Rel an officer is required to fuck with the driver who voluntarily turns away? Required to find some bullshit PC reason to make a stop?

Freedom.....ever hear of it?

Unreal.
 
OaklandLion said:
So Rel an officer is required to fuck with the driver who voluntarily turns away? Required to find some bullshit PC reason to make a stop?

Freedom.....ever hear of it?

Unreal.
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im curious where is Rel's post did you see him say that?
 
Marlowe said:
But, part of the rules, at least as far as a checkpoint is concerned, is that it has to be minimally intrusive...
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The stop probably would have been minimally intrusive if the OP hadn't decided to act like he wanted trouble.
 
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