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Never Underestimate How Gay The Surveillance State Is.

Dmitriy said:
Once again let me ask this:
If Tesla were to sell live data from all of its cars to the government, do you think you would know about it?
Thats 2-3 million cars with 4g modem and 5+ cameras in them.... What do you think all those nVidia / Samsung Chips are doing in there? Streaming Youtube?
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If?

awareforce.com

These 10 Car Companies Are Collecting an Absurd Volume of Data on You - Aware Force

These 10 car companies are turning your vehicle into a surveillance machine. From tracking your location to selling your personal data, find out who’s spying on you and what information they’re collecting.
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Tesla doesn’t just track your driving — it records it. Internal and external cameras feed images back to Tesla for analysis, training, and storage. In 2023, employees were caught sharing private footage of customers for laughs. Tesla’s privacy policy is vague, opt-outs are nearly impossible, and your data is used to train the company’s AI. You pay Tesla to watch you — and you can’t turn it off.
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byke said:
Private businesses should be able to sell whatever they want, as long as they've buried a disclosure somewhere deep in something you've agreed to. Otherwise, don't buy cars with capabilities that oppose your interests.
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I disagree. We make laws about what can and can't be sold all the time and I think that's proper. We can't buy open wheel roadsters or vehicles without airbags, collapsible steering columns and seatbelts for example. Second problem is, purchasing new cars that have only have capabilities we agree with won't be possible soon. While I agree that older used cars are an option to satisfy the LVL*, that won't be an option for everyone or forever.

League of Vehicular Luddites*
 
California might be able to do something given enough time, but there's still the other 49 states. Everything is relative to money, or outrage through people dying. If you can find a way to get a few people killed very directly by data collection, maybe a nice middleclass white family, then you have a good in. The "all the time" part has a significant prefix, because the first airbag was patented in 1952 by an engineer that was motivated after a crash with his family, but it would take 46 years before it became standard equipment. Everything is like that.

If you want to bypass that half-century of misery....because let's face it we're talking about something that's 1/100th as important as dying, you'll need death or some big $$$ backers. The only instant success can come from not buying these vehicles, which also comes with a bonus that if enough people do the same, then you've very likely made long term changes at the same time. It is by far the shortest, cheapest, and most effective path. Yes it's unlikely, but when going against billion/trillion dollar corps, all paths of opposition are extremely unlikely. But, we could also keep affirming with our wallets that we want these features while simultaneously rejecting them with our mouths, it's just going to take even longer to get anything done, if ever.
 
byke said:
California might be able to do something given enough time, but there's still the other 49 states. Everything is relative to money, or outrage through people dying. If you can find a way to get a few people killed very directly by data collection, maybe a nice middleclass white family, then you have a good in. The "all the time" part has a significant prefix, because the first airbag was patented in 1952 by an engineer that was motivated after a crash with his family, but it would take 46 years before it became standard equipment. Everything is like that.

If you want to bypass that half-century of misery....because let's face it we're talking about something that's 1/100th as important as dying, you'll need death or some big $$$ backers. The only instant success can come from not buying these vehicles, which also comes with a bonus that if enough people do the same, then you've very likely made long term changes at the same time. It is by far the shortest, cheapest, and most effective path. Yes it's unlikely, but when going against billion/trillion dollar corps, all paths of opposition are extremely unlikely. But, we could also keep affirming with our wallets that we want these features while simultaneously rejecting them with our mouths, it's just going to take even longer to get anything done, if ever.
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I defiantly agree with you about the most efficient way to make change happen. It's 100% though our spending. The problem is, the alternatives aren't totally up to us either because, like you say, we are up against billion dollar multinational companies. If they decide all cars will be surveillance sensors in place we will either have to keep old cars on the road (also a thing multinational corps have a say in - did you want parts for your 15 year old pickup? hahahah?) or fix junk yard rides.

I'm probably never going to buy a new car, so I'm functionally in your camp. I just don't think our camp will be big enough or even sustainable enough to make a difference and that sucks.

Oh yea, we also live in a country that prioritized the automobile over all other forms of public or human powered transportation. Soooo, if you need your paycheck and you need a vehicle to get to work..... njoy your spy car when the jalopy you have is cost prohibitive to fix and there is no other real choice available to you.
 
Before ~2010 or so, cuba was still loaded up with old cars. Humans are insanely creative and resourceful when they have no choice, but insanely lame and pathetic when there is even just a weaksauce lazy choice. That latter club won't be eliciting much sympathy from me with their grievances, in fact...I'll probably go out of my way to make it harder for them. Mike, you have now convinced me to support surreptitious evilcorp/tech data collection. :laughing
 
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Yeah well, my apocalypse car is already in the garage so neener, neener :x
 
GAJ said:
If the surveillance State were so pervasive the useless authorities would know where Dennis' Caddy went.
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That's what kills me about security cameras. I don't have any (for superstitious reasons), but everyone I know that's captured video of a crime has never had it do any good.
My nephew got video of two guy's robbing his house in the middle of the day... "The cops said there's nothing there that they can use... but I got to watch one of the robbers playing with my dogs for 20 minutes" :rofl
 
Definitely don’t do this


Definitely do not visit deflock.org that has an open-sources map, the location of flock cameras and their field of view near you.
The cameras and solar panels are almost impossible to uninstall/tamper with due to the single 8mm socket they're clamped on with.
Do not spray the lens with spray paint, bedliner, or something similar on the cameras lens, especially not with a spray can extension pole.
Do not print vinyl stickers that look like the solar panels to cover the actual solar panels that charge the cameras.
Do not put a black plastic bag over the camera and/or solar panel either, because all that does is cost the company time and money.
Also, never point a high-powered laser at the cameras lens because that would permanently blind, pit, or burn the cameras sensors.
These cameras have ~12 hour backup battery, that transmit Bluetooth and 5G used to locate the cameras exact location, the same way your phone does. So under no circumstance put them inside a Faraday bag, that would block the signal while the battery runs itself out.
It would be pointless to inform your community by posting information online or by putting up flyers or signs next to these cameras. Especially not pointing out that there is a (Flock "Safety" Camera) that is capturing and analyzing images of all passing vehicles, storing details like the vehicles location, date, and time. They also capture the vehicles make, model, color, as well as identifying features such as dents, scratches roof racks, and decal/bumper stickers.
Flock cameras are only automated license plate readers (ALPR's). They would never misuse any of the data collected for local officers conducting unauthorized searches for federal immigration enforcement (ICE), searching for individuals who sought out-of-state reproductive healthcare, or police targeting specific activist and minority groups.
How would they be a serious risk to your privacy and civil liberties by continuously recording your movements without a warrant, probable cause, or even reasonable suspicion..
Especially not an infrastructure for mass surveilance or a gateway to violate your Fourth Amendment right.
There's absolutely no reason to plan routes that avoid Flock and other ALPR cameras by visiting dontgetflocked.com or the app FlockHopper.
Just leave flock cameras alone
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GAJ said:
If the surveillance State were so pervasive the useless authorities would know where Dennis' Caddy went.
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yea they are pretty bad at using those tools too:
www.cbsnews.com

Flock cameras lead Colorado police to wrong suspect: "It became my job to prove my innocence"

Flock cameras led Columbine Valley police to a woman whom they accused of stealing a package, who then had to prove her own innocence by compiling her own evidence. After she did, the police chief said, "nicely done btw."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Just watch out for them automating that shit....
 
Dmitriy said:
yea they are pretty bad at using those tools too:
www.cbsnews.com

Flock cameras lead Colorado police to wrong suspect: "It became my job to prove my innocence"

Flock cameras led Columbine Valley police to a woman whom they accused of stealing a package, who then had to prove her own innocence by compiling her own evidence. After she did, the police chief said, "nicely done btw."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Just watch out for them automating that shit....
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Awesome. Make innocent people prove it because some piece of shit cop is too fucking lazy to do their fucking job. 😡 The attitude of that lazy mother fucker really steams me. I don't like it when people try to strong arm others like that. Looks like it SOP for an entire department.
 
CDONA said:
AJ cop was using Flock to track his wife, when this hit the media, two more towns have joined this
outbreak of poor morals, the fallout is all over Phoenix area.
More coming to light,
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funny how some people still think things they type into a search field arent tracked / remain anonymous.... especially if they are given extra privileges. like law enforcement.
 
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