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new cigarette warning labels? a bit to far?

mike23w said:
no.

smoking is an addiction and self discipline is not how you solve an addiction. ask anyone that's been to AA.

i do agree everyone needs to take responsibility.
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ask those same people AA like 10% success rate lol
 
who gives a shit :dunno

a fatty has a heart attack from eating mickey d's all the live long day? Don't help him/her

a smoker has lung problems/etc. Don't help him/her

Easy

Me, don't worry about your precious dollars being wasted on me. I find out I have cancer? Done. Single shot. Done.

End of story

Oooooh, I hear you ask....so why don't you quit smoking so you don't get cancer. Dear people, I have been smoking more than most of you have been alive, except Ernie of course. I figure it is too late. No, not being morbid or whatever.

I am actually more concerned about the effects of smoking on me wrinkles than I am the effects of smoking on my body/lungs/cancer

I actually don't care :party
 
I quit years ago. Gross pics would not have stopped me when I was smoking a lot.

Dear government, gtfo of my life. Buckle up, here comes another social engineering fail.
 
I already willingly cough up 6 bucks for a pack of smokes.

Pics wont help.

I see it as a failed attempt to respond to the constant nifty ways big tobacco finds to advertise to the kids.
 
Wormwood said:
I see it as a failed attempt to respond to the constant nifty ways big tobacco finds to advertise to the kids.
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This!!!
Big T spends brazillions to hire the very best and brightest marketing people to sell their shit. Showing nasty pictures is not marketing. No one wants to look at nasty pictures!!! Theyll just keep the pack in their purse or pocket. Selling and marketing is a shitload more than nasty shock value that no one wants to see
 
Why does this not surprise me in the least? I'd be willing ot bet your parents would be more than willing to change your colostomy bag should you hit a tree while enjoying your dangerous activity. You might want to try another approach, rather than your typical self centered one.


norcalkeith said:
+1,000

It's gonna be fucking cold, but I told my parents that I would not be burdened by their smoking in their later years, I WILL NOT go pick up oxygen tanks for them if needed; they've been warned.
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They slide it under the radar here but it is easy to spot if you look.

If you want to see what big T is capable of visit teh Philippines.
 
Anyone thinking of quitting. Checkout the E-Cigs as they look, taste and use same habit as actual cigarettes. EastMall is has good prices on starter Kits.
http://www.eastmall.net/

The extent the Feds and State has encroached into the Tobacco Business is amazing.

Separately the Feds and State get more revenue from Tobacco then distributors, retailers and manufacturers.

By their actions its obvious their concern is not for smokers health. Actions that solidify collecting taxes is paramount. Take the PACT act passed last year. Making it illegal to mail cigarettes by US mail. Major Carriers UPS FedEx volunteered to also not ship cigs.

Finding a way around this Indian Cigarette sellers began using private couriers with no policy that excludes shipping cigarettes. The PACT act still required forms to fill out for transportation of tobacco. These new carriers ask the buyer to fill them out. Basically notifying the State they bought cigarettes. In turn State will ask them to pay taxes on them.

Whats that ? something bought from out of State still have to pay State taxes on it, Yeah anything California finds out about you buying from out of state. Cigarettes just have this intense record keeping.

All this isn't actions to improve smokers health. Its about maintaining the product and resourcing the users.

See how Europe handled the same thing. Packaging to include real nicotine and tar ratings. This because cigarette companies added addicting ingredients to insure future sales. Now smokers saw the amounts and could decide. The Companies naturally reduced the additional amounts to normal levels.

Next Europe caused a standardization of packaging. Color coding packaging for different levels of tar and nicotine. One color for full strength, another color for low tar&nic and another color for ultra low tar&nic. This stopped the practice of companies declaring low tar cigs when in fact they weren't.

Next Europe encouraged the manufacture of ultra slim cigarettes. These burn as long as regular smokes with only 1/3 the tobacco. Puffing on these slim cigs, inhaling wasn't deep. Overall these Slims as satisfying with only quarter and less the harmful effect.

Ironic because US PACT law these less harmful cigarettes aren't shipped to the US legally. Only the full strength spiked US brand smokes with assured tax collection are available.
 
mcarb said:
Why does this not surprise me in the least? I'd be willing ot bet your parents would be more than willing to change your colostomy bag should you hit a tree while enjoying your dangerous activity. You might want to try another approach, rather than your typical self centered one.
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:laughing i love it when people get all sanctimonious. moral superiority is even more awesome. they better hope they never find themselves on the wrong side of the mob.
 
legislating behavior through taxation :thumbdown

wait for it folks, those of you who groan about health care costs and want to jack up pricing, levy taxes or outright ban things you yourself do not use. bc the day is coming that it will be something you do.

njy ur nannies
 
I dont get why we care if other people die. If they wanna smoke let them. Ill probably die quicker being healthy on my bicycle or motorcycle. Heads would roll if anyone tried to stop me. Enjoy life however you want.
 
mcarb said:
Why does this not surprise me in the least? I'd be willing ot bet your parents would be more than willing to change your colostomy bag should you hit a tree while enjoying your dangerous activity. You might want to try another approach, rather than your typical self centered one.
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I'd be willing to change their colostomy bag should they have anything accident related or the like, but not smoking. I love my parents, but fuck - they know good goddamn and well what they are doing to themselves, and I've told them this to their faces - they understand. It seems more self-centered of them to continue smoking when they know it'll be me who'll take care of them, than me saying that I won't be burdened by their choices.

If I had a child, I would not be so selfish to do as I please, especially if I thought that those same actions would eventually burden said child. To do otherwise would be 'self-centered'.
 
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Idontdotrix said:
legislating behavior through taxation :thumbdown

wait for it folks, those of you who groan about health care costs and want to jack up pricing, levy taxes or outright ban things you yourself do not use. bc the day is coming that it will be something you do.

njy ur nannies
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though I agree legislating behavior thru taxation is dumb....i believe in some cases it is necessary..

in today's society personal responsibility is virtually nil for just about everyone...

if the smokers, fatties, heavy drinkers would simply let themselves die this would be a non-issue...but that's not the case...

nor is it that black and white...

and for the record i do not consider anything a 'disease' if stopping a behavior is the 'cure'...
 
Bronto said:
*a bunch of smart insightful common sense shit*
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This.

Cigarettes don't HAVE to kill 1/3rd of their users. They don't HAVE to be noxious stenchful sticks of death. If there were some decent regulations on just how poisonous the things are, what chemicals go in em, or at the very least some transparency like the European stuff Bronto mentioned, then things would be gravy.

Tobacco in and of itself is not really that horrifically deadly. It's not the healthiest thing ever, maybe, but it's the added shit in cigarettes that really fucks people over.

Hell, I've even sorta got the urge to try out those E-cig things just cause I've always wanted to try making smoke rings.



Oh, and pics of road rash chick in moto manuals may not be the worst idea. A great many people do not actually comprehend that jeans aren't sufficient riding gear-- it's not like they understand the risk and just wanna go wild, it's that they honestly have this misguided notion that jeans will protect them. The thing about warning labels on motorcycles though, is that there's all sorts of things you can do to mitigate the risks of those bad things happening, whereas with cigarettes the only thing to do in most cases is just... Not.
 
Lylith said:
I smoked for 19 years. I quit cold-turkey on 08 October 2008. I have no problem at all with the graphic image warnings. Although, they should put similar images on all alcohol packaging if they want to play fair.

If they require a warning label on every hair-dryer that says, "Do not use in the shower." and a warning label on the flat iron I bought that says, "Do not use while sleeping." I completely understand the logic behind putting graphic warning images on packs of coffin nails.
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This.

Why not half of the prescription durgs with side effects worse than the original reason you took the drug in the first place? How about a sticker on our motorcycle licenses for daring to ride a bike? Uggh.

I hate the fact that the US feels they have to protect us from ourselves. None of this crap in Euro (although more and more of it). They trust you to be responsible for your decisions - good or bad.
 
Imm a laugh from heaven if some 80 yr old 350lb 'Merican takes me out on my bicycle tomorrow cuz he dropped his cig and burger while driving a 1973 Chevy truck.
 
Cigarettes are still legal.

The risks are real.

I see no problem here.

Having lost several relatives many decades early because they grew up ignorant of how dangerous it was, I personally applaud the move. People are stupid and only listen to their reptilian brain in general, so if this is what's needed to make people understand what could happen, so be it.

I had to endure many relatives (who smoke) telling me I was going to die as soon as I swung a leg over a bike. Yet here I am (and they are not).
 
I worked at a place, that an ex-CHP did, he put the montly CHP magazine on the coffee table, so everyone could read it.
The whole center section, of the Magazine is pictures of the most grizzly accident scenes in California for that month.

Cars Torn Open, like sardine cans, body parts strewn around, Dead bodies hanging out of the cars.

How about if the government required those pictures to be applied to the window of new cars, with the price/features, sticker...Think anyone would quit driving those deadly cars?

Don't think so.
 
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