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Ninja 300R vs 400R
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GPToyz
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too bad they won't bring back the ZXR 400
that was the dwarf Zx7R
back then they had the 250R and the zxr400, but the zxr was a totally different animal with an i4 and 60+ hp
ohhhh the days of the ZXR, nc30/35, CBR400RR and gsxr400 ok well maybe not the baby gsxr
but definitely the rest
that was the dwarf Zx7R
back then they had the 250R and the zxr400, but the zxr was a totally different animal with an i4 and 60+ hp
ohhhh the days of the ZXR, nc30/35, CBR400RR and gsxr400 ok well maybe not the baby gsxr
but definitely the rest
You can't bring back a bike that was never sold in the States.
As has been proven over and over, a pricey 400 will sucks donkey balls in the U.S. market when you can get a faster/flashier 600 for a similar cost. This type of "less performance/similar price" sales model will ALWAYS fail.
You can't bring back a bike that was never sold in the States.
As has been proven over and over, a pricey 400 will sucks donkey balls in the U.S. market when you can get a faster/flashier 600 for a similar cost. This type of "less performance/similar price" sales model will ALWAYS fail.
Current price of the ZX6R in the US: $10,299
Current price of the Ninja 400R (US equivalent price based off CAD) $7,094.21
That's over $3,000 less just to start...and no where near being a "similar cost".
Current price of the ZX6R in the US: $10,299
Current price of the Ninja 400R (US equivalent price based off CAD) $7,094.21
That's over $3,000 less just to start...and no where near being a "similar cost".
Compare inline-four 600 to inline-four 400 (which nobody makes anymore because it cost too much). Compare twin-cylinder 400 to twin-cylinder 650.
The bigger bike wins every time, much better bang-for-buck.
I'm just comparing with what you stated....what's currently for sale.
Please tell me about the 300R and 400R for sale at the local Kawasaki dealer.
Cycle61
What the shit is this...
Good stuff. Kawasaki *already* had the small-bike market in the U.S. on lockdown...adding one or two more small bikes to their arsenal is like going total Fort Knox on that ass.
Yamaha will sue them for building an engine substantially similar to the FZR400.
AkatomboRR
"the first of his name"
Well the 2012 Ninja 650R is $7499..
So they will definitely need to adjust the prices of the 300 and 400 accordingly.
Anyone who walks into a motorcycle dealer and see the 650R next to the 400R would not even think twice about getting the faster bike.. :|
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There were also (if you want to get nitpicky) 55's, 60's, 65's 70's, 80's, 100's, 150's, 160's, 180's, 200's, 300's, 305's, 400's, 500's and that's just the ones which were either produced in any real quantities or by more than one Japanese manufacturer if you go back as far as the early 60's.
Tharkûn
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Didn't we establish in the last thread about the 400 that it's just a neutered 650? I like the idea of the smaller motor, but not if it weighs the same as the bigger version
Mark S
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Before we get too excited (/perplexed!) that Kawi is going to be selling a 250R and a 300R and a 400R all side-by-side, let's review what we know:
1. Nothing . . . at least not for sure . . . at least not until Kawi's official unveiling on September 13.
(But speculation being tons o' fun . . .)
2. There is a widely posted linky to an EPA spreadsheet containing manufacturers' 2013 model-year submissions, which seems reasonably believable and lists both a 296cc, fuel-injected, 2-cylinder "Ninja 300" (and "Ninja 300 ABS") and a 399cc, fuel-injected, 2-cylinder "Ninja 400R."
3. The former is listed as a "new" application for a "50S" (50-state) sales area (recalling that, due to California's emissions rules, some bikes are just marketed as just "49-state" legal). (Actually, this one's listed, curiously, as a "50S+49S," possibly suggesting that the ABS version will not be sold in Cali?)
4. The latter (400R) is listed as a "CO" (continuing?) application for a "49S" sales area. Why "continuing"? Well try the same link substituting "12" for "13" and we see that it was on Kawi's submission list to the EPA a year ago, too. As mentioned elsewhere, it is available in Canada and is styled like the 650R, but not (yet, at least) sold south of the border. First take-home message: not everything submitted to the EPA for an upcoming model year actually makes it to market in the US in that model year (or maybe ever). And it looks like, if the US does get a Ninja 400R in 2013, it may only be a 49-state-legal model. But who knows for sure. Remember the key word here: speculation (albeit, of the semi-informed type).
5. Now for extra credit, try and figure out why, as some sources have reported, Kawi also plans on continuing to sell a carbureted Ninja 250R alongside the supposed new Ninja 300. That was a trick question—and an epic fail on the part of certain moto reporting. The 250 listed on the EPA spreadsheet, right above the Ninja 300, is actually the single-cylinder "KLX250S," not a Ninjette at all. You have to scroll across a bit to find that info. But the false notion that the sheet listed a carbureted Ninja 250R alongside a fuel-injected 300 was repeated on a number of moto reporting and blogging sites.
6. And the last thing we know is that the 2013 Ninjette got a thorough restyling in the Asian market, complete with new bodywork, wider rear rim (140 tires), digital dash, etc. It seems pretty reasonable to assume that — 250 or 300 cc — that is the look of the new Ninjette, worldwide. But then, we'll know for sure in just a couple of weeks.
1. Nothing . . . at least not for sure . . . at least not until Kawi's official unveiling on September 13.
(But speculation being tons o' fun
. . .)2. There is a widely posted linky to an EPA spreadsheet containing manufacturers' 2013 model-year submissions, which seems reasonably believable and lists both a 296cc, fuel-injected, 2-cylinder "Ninja 300" (and "Ninja 300 ABS") and a 399cc, fuel-injected, 2-cylinder "Ninja 400R."
3. The former is listed as a "new" application for a "50S" (50-state) sales area (recalling that, due to California's emissions rules, some bikes are just marketed as just "49-state" legal). (Actually, this one's listed, curiously, as a "50S+49S," possibly suggesting that the ABS version will not be sold in Cali?)
4. The latter (400R) is listed as a "CO" (continuing?) application for a "49S" sales area. Why "continuing"? Well try the same link substituting "12" for "13" and we see that it was on Kawi's submission list to the EPA a year ago, too. As mentioned elsewhere, it is available in Canada and is styled like the 650R, but not (yet, at least) sold south of the border. First take-home message: not everything submitted to the EPA for an upcoming model year actually makes it to market in the US in that model year (or maybe ever). And it looks like, if the US does get a Ninja 400R in 2013, it may only be a 49-state-legal model. But who knows for sure. Remember the key word here: speculation (albeit, of the semi-informed type).
5. Now for extra credit, try and figure out why, as some sources have reported, Kawi also plans on continuing to sell a carbureted Ninja 250R alongside the supposed new Ninja 300. That was a trick question—and an epic fail on the part of certain moto reporting. The 250 listed on the EPA spreadsheet, right above the Ninja 300, is actually the single-cylinder "KLX250S," not a Ninjette at all. You have to scroll across a bit to find that info. But the false notion that the sheet listed a carbureted Ninja 250R alongside a fuel-injected 300 was repeated on a number of moto reporting and blogging sites.
6. And the last thing we know is that the 2013 Ninjette got a thorough restyling in the Asian market, complete with new bodywork, wider rear rim (140 tires), digital dash, etc. It seems pretty reasonable to assume that — 250 or 300 cc — that is the look of the new Ninjette, worldwide. But then, we'll know for sure in just a couple of weeks.
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a3x
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Here, I'll just toss out something I found on a Japanese website this evening. Just to add to the confusion.
not confusing @ all.looking @ the z on the fairing its a z800..http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/kawasaki-z800-leaks/21335.html
GPToyz
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You can't bring back a bike that was never sold in the States.
As has been proven over and over, a pricey 400 will sucks donkey balls in the U.S. market when you can get a faster/flashier 600 for a similar cost. This type of "less performance/similar price" sales model will ALWAYS fail.
I don't subscribe to the philosophy of bigger is always better. I've been riding, tracking and racing for too damn long. Unless you are a pro level or high level amateur rider, you are not going to be able to achieve magazine stated performance.
Honestly, unless I'm just plain lazy or unless I want to compete in a class provisioned for 1000s, my time between a sorted 600 and a 1000 aren't too far off.
Secondly, modern 600s are making 120+ crank hp, that isn't newb hp territory. So to transition from a ninja 250 making 20+ hp on a good day to a 650r making 55+ hp then nearly doubling that hp to a modern 600, sounds like a 400 supersport could definitely sandwich itself nicely between the training wheels and 600.
Actually, I'm in a favor of a tiered licensing structure with displacement/hp limits like in europe. I see way to many people being sold by some unscrupulous sales person that the modern 1000s with their drive mode selectors is like buying 3 bikes in 1.
Ol' Gravy Leg
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Please tell me about the 300R and 400R for sale at the local Kawasaki dealer.
Define "local".
The 650 makes 72 at the crank. And I wouldn't call either the 400 or the 650 a supersport.
The 400 is 12 pounds lighter (448 vs. 460)