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Nissan 2023 Z

Climber said:
There isn't one of us in here who wouldn't mind a chance to get behind the wheel of a Nissan GTR if we had the opportunity, appearances or not. :laughing
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Eh, I've been around a lot of fast cars of all genres since I was a teen. Cars both ridden in and driven. I wasn't incredibly impressed with the GTR. Not sure how to word that better. I liked it but it didn't blow me away. Also a lot of the cars I'm comparing it to had a lot of money put into them so, apples to oranges comparison.

Bone stock right off the dealership parking lot, yeah it's a damn good car. As mentioned above, the current price for one is pretty ridiculous from where the price point of the car started.
 
Blankpage said:
They have to leave room for updates
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True, got to stretch this model out for another 12 years of minimal updates.
Then, in 2035, they can lazily try to find a way to shove batteries into the same, at that point almost 40 year old platform, with slightly modernized styling to fit the time.
 
Kurosaki said:
Eh, I've been around a lot of fast cars of all genres since I was a teen. Cars both ridden in and driven. I wasn't incredibly impressed with the GTR. Not sure how to word that better. I liked it but it didn't blow me away. Also a lot of the cars I'm comparing it to had a lot of money put into them so, apples to oranges comparison.

Bone stock right off the dealership parking lot, yeah it's a damn good car. As mentioned above, the current price for one is pretty ridiculous from where the price point of the car started.
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Kind of like the Honda S2000?

Used ones from 15 years ago all sell for >$20k.
 
I had a 77 280z and my parents had a 240 they had to sell when I was born. I love the z-cars and would love to have one of the new Zs. Don’t care how outdated the interior is to some folks.

Regarding prices of new and used vehicles, today’s prices are just stupid. New trucks over $100k. I could sell my 4 year old used Tacoma for what I paid for it. My sister was offered $10k more than she paid for her 4runner that she picked up a year ago.
 
My HS friend had a 87-88z another had a old 240z, I had a 89 mk3 Supra

The cars were already decade+ old, we did not drive current model sports cars to school lol
 
Ridley said:
I had a 77 280z and my parents had a 240 they had to sell when I was born. I love the z-cars and would love to have one of the new Zs. Don’t care how outdated the interior is to some folks.

Regarding prices of new and used vehicles, today’s prices are just stupid. New trucks over $100k. I could sell my 4 year old used Tacoma for what I paid for it. My sister was offered $10k more than she paid for her 4runner that she picked up a year ago.
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If you’re planning to buy a car buy it soon. It’s about to get way more crazy real soon

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JesasaurusRex said:
And they break...a lot. At least at the drag strip, I assume the half mile is a bit gentler but I doubt they don't break them there as well
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The launch on dusty airstrips is a far cry from a prepared surface with 1/16” of VHT/rubber stuck to it. Even AWD cars have pretty shit launches out there. Best I’ve done even after a burnout to warm the tires and using launch control is an abysmal 60’ time of around 2.25. And my best trap speed out there was with the shittiest 60’ time of all. Like 2.47 I think.

Though a long pull doing a half mile with a boosted engine does raise internal temps pretty high. Seen a few cars go pop about 2/3 the way down.
 
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Drag racing with an AWD car is always going to end badly at some point.
 
Blankpage said:
If you’re planning to buy a car buy it soon. It’s about to get way more crazy real soon

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2 assumptions here that aren't true.

1) Steel is such an expensive part of modern cars that a large increase in the cost of steel will drive up the cost of the entire car by a great deal
2)This price increase will only continue.

Breaking this down. The futures you are looking at look at the cost per metric ton of steel. They high point, achieved last year, was 1945 per metric ton. If we use that top number, the average car uses about 2400 lbs or about 1.1 metric tons of steel, and light SUV or Truck, 3000 lbs or about 1.36 lbs of steel. That means the raw steel for each car costs 2139.5, for SUVs, 2645.2. That's not all that much.

The second part, assuming the increase will continue. The high point was achieved last year. Right now, the futures price has dropped to 1431 per metric ton, and has been trending downward almost as quickly as it went up.

Cost of steel might contribute to increased car costs a bit moving forward, but I think a lot more of the cost increases will continue to be due to cost and availability of less easy to get parts such as the silicon chips, possible increased labor costs due to the unsettling of the labor market we've seen since COVID, and probably a lot of greed and profiteering coming from both carmakers and dealerships.
 
Kurosaki said:
The S2000 market always boggles my mind.
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My nephew has a pristine S2000 I found for him in the South Bay that he had shipped to Austin.

He prefers my 1994 Miata R model so it is my will to him. :laughing

I liked the S2000 a lot when I test drove it for him.
 
ScarySpikes said:
2 assumptions here that aren't true.

1) Steel is such an expensive part of modern cars that a large increase in the cost of steel will drive up the cost of the entire car by a great deal
2)This price increase will only continue.

Breaking this down. The futures you are looking at look at the cost per metric ton of steel. They high point, achieved last year, was 1945 per metric ton. If we use that top number, the average car uses about 2400 lbs or about 1.1 metric tons of steel, and light SUV or Truck, 3000 lbs or about 1.36 lbs of steel. That means the raw steel for each car costs 2139.5, for SUVs, 2645.2. That's not all that much.

The second part, assuming the increase will continue. The high point was achieved last year. Right now, the futures price has dropped to 1431 per metric ton, and has been trending downward almost as quickly as it went up.

Cost of steel might contribute to increased car costs a bit moving forward, but I think a lot more of the cost increases will continue to be due to cost and availability of less easy to get parts such as the silicon chips, possible increased labor costs due to the unsettling of the labor market we've seen since COVID, and probably a lot of greed and profiteering coming from both carmakers and dealerships.
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We buy a lot of steel at work, tens of $millions the past two years and its a lot more expensive now than it was a year and a half ago. Great if you locked in prices two years ago, sucks if you didn’t.

However you want to interpret that chart as a predictor of future vehicle prices I don’t see it as an indicator of prices coming down anytime soon.
 
Blankpage said:
We buy a lot of steel at work, tens of $millions the past two years and its a lot more expensive now than it was a year and a half ago. Great if you locked in prices two years ago, sucks if you didn’t.

However you want to interpret that chart as a predictor of future vehicle prices I don’t see it as an indicator of prices coming down anytime soon.
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I think we both agree that cars are going to remain expensive. I just think it's much more due to the cost of semiconductors than the cost of steel, though both contribute.
 
Steel is less and less a part of modern vehicles anyway. There's a lot more aluminum and plastic being used these days.
 
Not as much as people seem to think. A quick Google search says modern cars are still 50-60% steel by weight. Such a key material doubling in price wouldn’t go unnoticed in the sticker price.
 
Big auto/moto sports fan.

Just can't get behind drifting to be honest.

Seems pointless.

Destroy tires, inhale carcinogens, go nowhere.

Yay.
 
GAJ said:
Big auto/moto sports fan.

Just can't get behind drifting to be honest.

Seems pointless.

Destroy tires, inhale carcinogens, go nowhere.

Yay.
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How is that really different from other motorsports.
 
ScarySpikes said:
How is that really different from other motorsports.
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I've driven my car on the track.

That is a ton of fun; numerous different corners, elevation changes, gear changes.

Spinning around in circles in the parking lot?

That's what folks do with rental cars...at least back when some were rear wheel drive.
 
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