Pregnant 16 year old accidentally shot by police when her thug boyfriend tried to flee

[TylerW]

 

[bojangle]

That escalated quickly

Well, he's got a point. She's not the victim of "senseless gun violence". Self defense isn't senseless. It is rational and intentional.

It's too bad she, as a passenger, was hit. We don't really know if she was there on her own will or not. Don't really know if she was an active crime participant or not. She was in a stolen vehicle, associated with a series of armed robberies, in the act of ramming police. That is pretty life threatening violent serious stuff.

A victim of "senseless gun violence" is more like an innocent bystander hit by a criminal street gang motivated drive by shooting.

 

[Yakoo752]

oh, I just thought enkis response was quite hostile and out of his character, that I've witnessed

It's same ol troll for asthmodeus

 

[elbacalao]

So, association with criminals = justification for murder.

Got it.

lol hyperbole much dude? This girl was not murdered. It is tragic that she was shot, but its more tragic that you think she was murdered. She was in a stolen car that was involved in multiple armed robberies and was subsequently driven into police vehicles injuring two officers in an attempt to flee. The police have every right to defend themselves, and they did.

 

[asthmodeus]

oh, I just thought enkis response was quite hostile and out of his character, that I've witnessed

It's same ol troll for asthmodeus

yes of course. i'm trolling because i believe that the police shouldn't be dumping magazines into vehicles. you got me smart guy- because i don't think like the barf status quo, i'm trolling. you got me. i guess the people of denver and their pd are all trolls.

http://www.denverpost.com/2015/06/09/denver-police-change-policy-on-shooting-at-cars/

 

[Melissa]

everyone gets accused of trolling at least once when discussions filter down into frustration and the old back and forth no one is learning anything new.

Unless of course you do that?

 

[Yakoo752]

yes of course. i'm trolling because i believe that the police shouldn't be dumping magazines into vehicles. you got me smart guy- because i don't think like the barf status quo, i'm trolling. you got me. i guess the people of denver and their pd are all trolls.

http://www.denverpost.com/2015/06/09/denver-police-change-policy-on-shooting-at-cars/

What do I win?

I don't disagree with your statement, just your delivery. That's the troll part. The words used are designed to elicit emotional responses

The police didn't murder anyone at least not in the sense of "murder". They defended themselves as they legally were allowed to do (as I understand it's legality)

I agree that police go to deadly force too quickly. That shooting into a vehicle is too risky and agree with many of your thoughts in the topic. It's just your delivery sucks.

 

[Climber]

I had to borrow money from my Mom to pay for my Dad's funeral... the woman who divorced him, for cheating on her.
If it weren't for her, my options would have been GoFundMe, or hoping that the military would be able to help (my Dad was a veteran).
I don't imagine many of us have a few thousand just laying around to spend on an unexpected funeral... and you've got a pretty narrow window to come up with the money...

That's fine. I suppose. Yet if a family is going to stand on a social media street corner and beg, perhaps they should also provide an accounting to their benefactors as to how the money was spent. Is it so hard to post a few receipts? What's the matter with transparency?

Hopefully, not too much went to cousin Homie for the Bud Lite.

Last time I looked, nobody was putting a gun to the donator's head and forcing them to put money in. Nor are there any automatic withdrawals from their accounts into the goFundMe account.

So, it's people who are making their own decision to put their own money into these GoFundMe accounts.

Does the money always get spent in the best manner? Nope.
Are there some scams going on with it? Yup
Do some people get a bunch of money that a large portion of the population will get outraged over? Yup.

But, at the end of the day, people a voluntarily donating their own money based upon a variety of reasons, none of them forced. I think that people should just leave it at that, it's none of the f$*king business.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

What do I win?

I don't disagree with your statement, just your delivery. That's the troll part. The words used are designed to elicit emotional responses

The police didn't murder anyone at least not in the sense of "murder". They defended themselves as they legally were allowed to do (as I understand it's legality)

I agree that police go to deadly force too quickly. That shooting into a vehicle is too risky and agree with many of your thoughts in the topic. It's just your delivery sucks.

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is moral. State legality is a horrible metric for morality.

 

[Yakoo752]

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is moral. State legality is a horrible metric for morality.

huh? I wasn't discussing morality. Besides, it's entirely a social construct. What might be moral here in good ol' America doesn't carry the same morality elsewhere...

 

[TylerW]

lol hyperbole much dude? This girl was not murdered. It is tragic that she was shot, but its more tragic that you think she was murdered. She was in a stolen car that was involved in multiple armed robberies and was subsequently driven into police vehicles injuring two officers in an attempt to flee. The police have every right to defend themselves, and they did.

More reductive than hyperbolic. Your post literally said this wasn't a tragedy since she was hanging out with criminals and should have known better.

Anyhow, there's a pretty fantastic episode on RadioLab this week specifically about police violence. It's part 2 of a two part series on the subject, and this one goes into specifics of both sides of the story - both the police and the victim. Good for context.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/shots-fired-part-2/

 

[westie]

Does anybody know if they caught the driver?

 

[Yakoo752]

Does anybody know if they caught the driver?

all occupants were arrested from my understanding

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

That's fine. I suppose. Yet if a family is going to stand on a social media street corner and beg, perhaps they should also provide an accounting to their benefactors as to how the money was spent. Is it so hard to post a few receipts? What's the matter with transparency?

Hopefully, not too much went to cousin Homie for the Bud Lite.

I guess, the way I look at it, is that people donate to what makes them feel good. So they're getting something out of it, too... win/win.
And if there's "extra" money, then spending some on the 8 kids who just lost their sister wouldn't be a bad thing... and I'd like to think that would come before cousin Homie's Bud Lite!

I've donated to a couple of GoFundMe accounts in the past that tugged at my heart strings. Not much, because money's tight, but a little to help... made me feel like I did a little bit to help make the world a better place. I don't know how they spent the money, don't need to... it felt good to be able to help!

 

[elbacalao]

More reductive than hyperbolic. Your post literally said this wasn't a tragedy since she was hanging out with criminals and should have known better.

Anyhow, there's a pretty fantastic episode on RadioLab this week specifically about police violence. It's part 2 of a two part series on the subject, and this one goes into specifics of both sides of the story - both the police and the victim. Good for context.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/shots-fired-part-2/

Your reading skills, or lack thereof, need work. I've stated now in both of my previous posts in this thread, that her being shot is a tragedy. She is not, however, an innocent victim nor was she murdered.

There is no question that the police kill civilians at an alarming rate in the US.

 

[72SBC]

There is no question that the police kill civilians at an alarming rate in the US.

 

[Yakoo752]

Your reading skills, or lack thereof, need work. I've stated now in both of my previous posts in this thread, that her being shot is a tragedy. She is not, however, an innocent victim nor was she murdered.
There is no question that the police kill civilians at an alarming rate in the US.

disagree and agree and on the fence

We don't know her level of guilt. I've been in situation where I was only guilty by association and because of such, I don't use it as a measuring stick

She was not murdered since there likely was zero premeditation... and self defense isn't illegal. This is arguing semantics though.

I actually think from a statistical level, it's extremely rare to die at the hands of the police... more so if you aren't involved in anything illegal. I've been pretty vocal in the past on the forum with my thoughts on rates of killings and such. The good news here is the DOJ has changed it's collecting methods and we might actually get more accurate information to determine the truthfulness of some of these sentiments and statements.

 

[asthmodeus]

What do I win?

I don't disagree with your statement, just your delivery. That's the troll part. The words used are designed to elicit emotional responses

The police didn't murder anyone at least not in the sense of "murder". They defended themselves as they legally were allowed to do (as I understand it's legality)

I agree that police go to deadly force too quickly. That shooting into a vehicle is too risky and agree with many of your thoughts in the topic. It's just your delivery sucks.

A) it's an emotional subject
B) i didn't call it murder
C) i can distill my thoughts effectively. some call it a one liner or say my delivery sucks. most call it a gift.

 

[MysterYvil]

A) it's an emotional subject
B) i didn't call it murder
C) i can distill my thoughts effectively. some call it a one liner or say my delivery sucks. most call it a gift.

"most" who? The voices in your head?

 

[TylerW]

There is no question that the police kill civilians at an alarming rate in the US.

Actually, we don't know for sure. There are no federal or national statistics of record on police homicides. Police precincts record the data, but they're under no obligation to share that data with anyone.

That alone is outrageously alarming.