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Question about valve adjustment 600miles

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SO my new bike is at about 460 odo, and I was wondering what if I go after the first 600 miles to get a valve job done. Will it be harmful to the engine? would it be fine if I did it at arounf 650 or 700?


thanks guys:teeth
 
Your owners manual should say something about service intervals.

First oil change at 600 miles is normal. After that...

Oil changes typically every 3000 miles.

Valve inspection/adjust typically every 12000-16000 miles.
 
SO my new bike is at about 460 odo, and I was wondering what if I go after the first 600 miles to get a valve job done. Will it be harmful to the engine? would it be fine if I did it at arounf 650 or 700?


thanks guys:teeth
why do you want to get a valve job?the bike is new so you shouldn't be having any problems.:cool
 
I think the OP may be referring to the initial valve check/adjustment done as part of the first 600 mile service on the bike.
 
If the valves on your 650 are anything like on my gs500, having proper clearance will definitely help performance, but having them a bit out of spec shouldn't be detrimental to your engine either.

I'd say go with getting the initial service and the valve check because it's a new engine. However, if you wait it out for another 50 or 100 miles I don't think it'll cause any harm.
 
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Some bikes require the valve clearances to be checked early like that. Most Ducatis require checking the clearances at 600 (or maybe it's 1000 now). Typically nothing needs to be changed, but you want to be sure of that.
 
According this this Ninja 650 service chart the valves don't need to be inspected until 15000 miles. What does your owners manual say?

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~shanetp/FAQ.html

If you still feel the need to spend money for premature and unnecessary service that's up to you.
 
Ya thats what im talking about, Is it harmful if I go over a few miles before i do it?

I've heard varying opinions. They range from:

1) Always get the dealer to do the initial service, no matter what the cost, to

2) It's basically a $300 oil change, and the dealer doesn't even bother to check the valve clearance, and they just eyeball everything else, rather than actually checking anything.



Chances are your valve clearances will be fine, but if they're really badly off, not adjusting them will have consequences. Then again, if they're that badly off, you'd probably notice it.

My concern would be whether or not the dealership actually checks and adjusts them.
 
Oh wow that kind of bad, I dont want to spend $300 and them just eyeball everything. Does anyone know a place that will actually check.
 
Oh wow that kind of bad, I dont want to spend $300 and them just eyeball everything. Does anyone know a place that will actually check.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying that's what they'll do. I'm just saying that I've heard an entire range of advice regarding the initial service, from "definitely do it", to, "don't bother and change the oil yourself, because that's all the dealership is actually going to do".

I.e., from the best, to the worst.


Personally, I'd wonder if the dealership actually performed all the specified checks as specified. But I'm just very suspicious of dealership shop work.
 
typically shim-under-bucket valve trains don't need their valves adjusted @ 600 miles.
 
Get the initial service done at an independent shop (I'm partial to Sportbike Dynamics myself), because there are lots of little things the dealers may not set up right.
 
usually valve dont need to be checked until after 10000 miles on Japanese sportbikes..

thats not exactly true. japanese sportbikes with tappet style valves will need their valves adjusted well before 10k. shim over buckets are around 10k and shim under buckets are 15~20k.
 
If you have access to a garage, and its not mandated by the manufacturer to keep your warranty, why not download a service manual and do it yourself??

If you can do simple math (addition and subtraction), and you or a friend have a few tools, its actually very simple and really helps you understand the bike that you're trusting your life with. Motorcycles really aren't the mysterious juju some people think they are...I honestly think I could teach my 10 year old son how to do adjust valves in an afternoon.

I'm not local, or I'd give you a hand...maybe someone on barf would help you out?
 
We've sold a modest number of EX650s since their release, and have never seen one that even seemed to need a valve clearance check at 600 miles. While it's theoretically true you can't be too safe, it would really be a waste of money. Don't worry about it.

Unless your model really does require a valve inspection, according to the manufacturer, a first service for most bikes should not cost $300. $150 is about right, YMMV. Since modern bikes really don't get out of whack until they have a lot of miles on the clock, what you get for your money, besides the oil change, is for a truly experienced professional to do a 360 loop around your bike and check every major system or component.

A guy, or lady-type, who handles many different bikes every day will quickly spot things that need adjustment, but it doesn't need to be a dealership - the handful of folks on this site that work as private techs seem to have enough background and daily experience to do it more or less as well. A dealership should be sending all its techs to the manufacturers' update seminars, though, and that can give dealer staff a little advance notice if the factory techs have been frank enough to say, look for this problem on this model, we saw it a lot in development. But most bikes these days are so good, it's less of an issue.

As long as you keep your receipts that show oil & filter purchases, or aftermarket shop bills that show some kind of maintenance, in most cases you don't need to go to an OEM dealer for service to maintain the warranty. Again, YMMV. That is, if there's an electrical issue, or a weld failure or a crack on a fender, it won't matter who did the 600 mile oil change and inspection.

In the last 4 years, with over 1500 new bikes sold, we have seen only one person not be able to claim a warranty issue because he didn't have a dealer do his services. This was a young guy with a Hyosung GT250R that he bought from us, that came in at 4000+ miles with the engine making loud knocking noises. We found less than a quart of oil in the motor, and it was like tar. We checked our service records, and he hadn't been in since the purchase, and hadn't bought any oil or OEM filters from us either. His father insisted that he'd seen the guy do at least one oil change, but couldn't show any receipts from anybody, and it's not like there's a Hyosung dealer everywhere. As far as we could tell, he had simply run the motor since new without any service or added any oil, and the motor had used up enough of the original oil to burn up its top end. We told him that Hyosung probably wouldn't pay for an engine rebuild under the circumstances, but if he could show some receipts from anybody we'd go to bat for him. They've never come back.

On the other hand, we have seen all our OEMs greenlight various warranty repairs that were kinda questionable. Most of the time, they prefer to keep the customer happy.
 
Some bikes require the valve clearances to be checked early like that. Most Ducatis require checking the clearances at 600 (or maybe it's 1000 now). Typically nothing needs to be changed, but you want to be sure of that.

You're thinking of the 6,000 mile service. Going back at least as far as the bevel head days no Ducati has ever required valve checks at 600 miles. It's basically an oil change, until last year Ducati also recommended checking belt tension but that's been dropped.
 
We've sold a modest number of EX650s since their release, and have never seen one that even seemed to need a valve clearance check at 600 miles. While it's theoretically true you can't be too safe, it would really be a waste of money. Don't worry about it.

Unless your model really does require a valve inspection, according to the manufacturer, a first service for most bikes should not cost $300. $150 is about right, YMMV. Since modern bikes really don't get out of whack until they have a lot of miles on the clock, what you get for your money, besides the oil change, is for a truly experienced professional to do a 360 loop around your bike and check every major system or component.

A guy, or lady-type, who handles many different bikes every day will quickly spot things that need adjustment, but it doesn't need to be a dealership - the handful of folks on this site that work as private techs seem to have enough background and daily experience to do it more or less as well. A dealership should be sending all its techs to the manufacturers' update seminars, though, and that can give dealer staff a little advance notice if the factory techs have been frank enough to say, look for this problem on this model, we saw it a lot in development. But most bikes these days are so good, it's less of an issue.

As long as you keep your receipts that show oil & filter purchases, or aftermarket shop bills that show some kind of maintenance, in most cases you don't need to go to an OEM dealer for service to maintain the warranty. Again, YMMV. That is, if there's an electrical issue, or a weld failure or a crack on a fender, it won't matter who did the 600 mile oil change and inspection.

In the last 4 years, with over 1500 new bikes sold, we have seen only one person not be able to claim a warranty issue because he didn't have a dealer do his services. This was a young guy with a Hyosung GT250R that he bought from us, that came in at 4000+ miles with the engine making loud knocking noises. We found less than a quart of oil in the motor, and it was like tar. We checked our service records, and he hadn't been in since the purchase, and hadn't bought any oil or OEM filters from us either. His father insisted that he'd seen the guy do at least one oil change, but couldn't show any receipts from anybody, and it's not like there's a Hyosung dealer everywhere. As far as we could tell, he had simply run the motor since new without any service or added any oil, and the motor had used up enough of the original oil to burn up its top end. We told him that Hyosung probably wouldn't pay for an engine rebuild under the circumstances, but if he could show some receipts from anybody we'd go to bat for him. They've never come back.

On the other hand, we have seen all our OEMs greenlight various warranty repairs that were kinda questionable. Most of the time, they prefer to keep the customer happy.


Thanks for the advice, I called its only about $160 So i'm going to go ahead and do it.

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