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Questions about making a Newer rider a Great rider

I've been on the Ninja 250 now for almost 2-3 months:ride and I will say that this experience (operating a 2 wheeled vehicle) is a completely new experience to me as I have absolutely NO dirt experience.

I've noticed that certain things that I do as a rider are set in this blurry grey area of whats technically correct or incorrect. In other words I may have settled into some "early" bad habits of doing things that I don't realize are wrong. I thought this would be a great opportunity to help other newer riders, like myself, correct any mistakes, and continue to grow as a stronger rider. I think this is mostly effective because I have no reinforcement from anyone else watching me how I ride to tell me where I can improve. Many of my concerns are spawned from questioning whether or not I'm riding to the fullest potential, or executing the ride inputs on the motorcycle, or if I'm truley riding in a fashion that every ride makes me a stronger rider.

So here we go, please feel free to add on and be as brutally honest as possible. I'm here to learn becuase I have a strong passion to be an expert rider.

1) When warming up a bike (carborater) I have the key to on, choke all the way engaged and the bike in neutral. I hit the starter and let it jump to around 4rpms. Once the bike is on i close the choke until it usually warms up for a minute and a half at 3Rpms. My question is, is it bad to give it throttle /gas to "help" it start and get it up to the 4rpms?

2) What is "loading" the pegs?

3) When coming to stop signs and stop lights should I be downshifting all the way into first or second gear? Is this a specific riders preference or is there pro's and con's to doing either? Would this change from bike to bike?

4) When feathering the shifter (slowly disengaging the clutch by easing up on your left hand squeeze) when shifting up, does this or can this add to more wear and tear on the bike? Is it better in terms of creating a more "smooth" ride. Is it better to be quick and speed shift? ( a quick grab/pull and release of the clutch lever) Does this boil down to specific rider's preference?

5) Why is it common to see newer riders hang out in the middle portion of lanes. (Specifically on 2-4 lane roads/highways). I know it depends on the situation where a rider can safely be in lanes 1,2, or 3 but is there a general rule of thumb?

6) How do you learn the true area of the powerband on a bike ie: the 250 redlines at 13.5rpms. So I tend to shift right around 7-9. This is just where I have come to feel where I get the most power. Should I be shifting at this set of RPMS for every gear?

7) When switching lanes should I add into the equation of carefully trying to avoid the small reflectors or highway bumps. Do they add a quick loss of traction if I travel over them incorrectly?

8) Do you ride with the index finger and the middle finger over the brake around turns? Is this a good habit to learn. I'm guessing it cuts down reflex time, etc.



I have to go to lunch but I'll add more as I think of them

-Fox



i know newer riders tend to have questions, but seriously, youre thinking about most of these WAYYYY too much....

1) pull the choke and leave it. when the bike starts up, leave the choke open until you can hear the engine RPM raise significantly. by the time you start the bike, put all your gear on, etc you should be ready to go. no need to give it gas, i would think it would flood it more....

2) someone correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure its just moving your weight from peg to peg to get a better response on stability or a turn-in, depending on the situation youre after...

3) personal preference- but as a general rule of thumb you are going to downshift through the gears. you dont want to end up at the stop light/sign in 5th gear. always be in a gear you can use.

4)i doubt its gonna cause any abnormal wear. when youre not taking off from a stop, you can be as quick about shifting as you want, so id tend to go with that. no need to feather out the clutch when you are already in motion...

5) cuz theyre noobs. stay in whatever part of the lane will give you the most space cushion, while avoiding pot holes, grease spots, etc. i tend to follow the car tires path in front of me. if you go down the middle you are more likely to hit grease or nails or anything that hasnt been moved aside from car tires....

6) roll on the throttle slowly/smoothly. there will be a point where you will notice an increase in power. this is the start of the powerband. then there will be a point where you wont feel it pulling as hard anymore = end of powerband (but thats normally close to redline). you dont have to shift in the powerband.

7) no. noobs get freaked out by these (no name calling here, i did the same when i was noobish) but they will hardly rattle you, especially if youre on the freeway. slower speeds (especially while turning) is another issue....

8) ive heard of this, but personally would NOT recommend it. im intermdiate/experienced and still have a hard time placing my fingers there, whether im just in town or in the twisties especially. i would be seriously concerned if a noob was practicing this. think about if you accidently panic braked = definitely not good....



relax, youre overthinking all of this
 
Well, for #8, I have to disagree. I think it is good to cover the front brake at all times. If you panic and grab the brake, bad things happen, but when someone goes down like this, you don't ask, "Well did you cover the front brake with your two fingers? Ohhh, that must have been the problem.." If you're gonna hit the brakes in a panic, it doesn't matter whether your covering it or not. The only difference is how long it takes to grab the brake. Covering the front brake allows you to apply pressure to the brake quickly if you need to. It does plenty of good, and it doesn't have any downside to it. Always cover the front brake when you ride street. Most new riders tend to mash the rear brake when they panic. This is a good reason NOT to cover the rear brake at all times. Cover the front brake. Do not cover the rear brake.
 
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Well, for #8, I have to disagree. I think it is good to cover the front brake at all times. If you panic and grab the brake, bad things happen, but when someone goes down like this, you don't ask, "Well did you cover the front brake with your two fingers? Ohhh, that must have been the problem.." Just covering the brake does not make panic braking any worse. Panic braking causes crashes, not covering the front brake. Covering the front brake allows you to apply pressure to the brake quickly if you need to. It does plenty of good, and it doesn't have any downside to it. Always cover the front brake when you ride street.

Covering the front brake encourages improper brake use, and trains the body to react by braking without first evaluating the situation. Covering the brake is NOT a substitute for situational awareness.

On the street, I constantly use SEE (Search, Evaluate, Execute.)

- Search for potential hazards
- Evaluate the safest response to the hazards & form a plan
- Execute your plan

The moment it takes for you to get your fingers on the brake is the moment you should be evaluating the situation and creating a plan to respond.

Braking without evaluating the situation first will create more problems than it solves.
 
Covering the front brake encourages improper brake use, and trains the body to react by braking without first evaluating the situation. Covering the brake is NOT a substitute for situational awareness.

On the street, I constantly use SEE (Search, Evaluate, Execute.)

- Search for potential hazards
- Evaluate the safest response to the hazards & form a plan
- Execute your plan

The moment it takes for you to get your fingers on the brake is the moment you should be evaluating the situation and creating a plan to respond.

Braking without evaluating the situation first will create more problems than it solves.


+1 on this.

when i'm moving along, my hands are off the clutch and brakes. The use of SEE along with continual emphasis of situational awareness will determine when my hands reach or rest on the brake and clutch. I think the ideas is to know and to execute the appropriate action to a given scenario.
 
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That sounds great, but you don't always have the luxury of knowing when something is going to happen in front of you. Take Dawn Champion for example. She is an expert rider who strictly adheres to safety practices such as SEE, but even she was unable to avoid a car that inexplicably spun out in front of her on the freeway. When something happens suddenly in front of you, you have to see it, react to it, and avoid it. I'd rather have my hand covering the brake so that I can minimize the amount of distance it takes me to stop once I've identified a hazard, and I recommend everyone else to do this as well.
 
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That sounds great, but you don't always have the luxury of knowing when something is going to happen in front of you. Take Dawn Champion for example. She is an expert rider who strictly adheres to safety practices such as SEE, but even she was unable to avoid a car that inexplicably spun out in front of her on the freeway. When something happens suddenly in front of you, you have to see it, react to it, and avoid it. I'd rather have my hand covering the brake so that I can minimize the amount of distance it takes me to stop once I've identified a hazard, and I recommend everyone else to do this as well.

-did the MSF ever mention anything to you about covering the front brake? :Popcorn

-what about the times when you have no option to brake and you must swerve? what good does covering the front brake do then but to make you think your only option is to brake when its not? you cant tell me that with your finger on the trigger in a panic situation you wont shoot....(speaking in a metaphor for you morons out there)

covering the front brake just reminds me of a death grip on the bars. i try to be as loose and relaxed as possible on my hands

covering the front brake is not smart. preach what you may, but the majority of the people ive talked to frown upon it.
 
-did the MSF ever mention anything to you about covering the front brake? :Popcorn

-what about the times when you have no option to brake and you must swerve? what good does covering the front brake do then but to make you think your only option is to brake when its not? you cant tell me that with your finger on the trigger in a panic situation you wont shoot....(speaking in a metaphor for you morons out there)

covering the front brake just reminds me of a death grip on the bars. i try to be as loose and relaxed as possible on my hands

covering the front brake is not smart. preach what you may, but the majority of the people ive talked to frown upon it.
Yes, the MSF also says NEVER, under any circumstances to use the front brake while the bike is leaned over. :rolleyes

I see your point, though. People do things they shouldn't when they panic. You guys advocate using SEE when you're on the road. What about eliminating survival reactions? Isn't that just as important as SEE? You guys say that you won't cover the brake because you don't trust yourselves to do what's right in a panic situation. Why don't you spend some time training yourselves to do what's right? Covering the front brake saves you time and can mean the difference between eating bumper and missing by an inch.
 
That sounds great, but you don't always have the luxury of knowing when something is going to happen in front of you. Take Dawn Champion for example. She is an expert rider who strictly adheres to safety practices such as SEE, but even she was unable to avoid a car that inexplicably spun out in front of her on the freeway. When something happens suddenly in front of you, you have to see it, react to it, and avoid it. I'd rather have my hand covering the brake so that I can minimize the amount of distance it takes me to stop once I've identified a hazard, and I recommend everyone else to do this as well.

Obviously, she wasn't SEE'ing, or she would have seen why the car spun out, plus it sounds like she was riding way too close to the car if she couldn't react before hitting a car in front of her. If that car suddenly braked and she hit it, it's her fault. If it spun out, still her fault if she hit it. If you stay 2-3 seconds behind a vehicle, you have plenty of time to assess and use your brakes. I can't imagine riding around with my fingers covering the brake all the time, plus trying to use the throttle.
 
I always ride with 2 fingers covering the front brake lever. It's just a habit I've developed over the years. I'm certain it saved me from plowing into a dear a few years back on Mines Road. I missed it by inches before it hopped out of sight...

I actually use my middle and ring finger to brake and my index and thumb do most of the throttling. I'm able to modulate both with minimal effort...

I'd say there's really no right or wrong way to do it. It's what works best for you. The biggest thing is learning to overcome your panic reactions and situational awareness...

Here's a pic I found that shows how I cover the lever. I'm not braking here...
(I know line is way off here...There was traffic...:lol)
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I can't imagine riding around with my fingers covering the brake all the time, plus trying to use the throttle.
It's easy... it just becomes a normal resting position.
 

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A chick who thinks she's all that, sees a car swerve in front of her so she lets go of the bars and tucks into a ball, then crashes into the car? :rolleyes

That sounds as stupid as Arnuld, when he said the best way to avoid a collision is to lay it down.

I wasn't there, but it looks like she just gave up and didn't try everything she could have to avoid the car. Well at least she didn't break her wrist. :hand
 
A chick who thinks she's all that, sees a car swerve in front of her so she lets go of the bars and tucks into a ball, then crashes into the car? :rolleyes

That sounds as stupid as Arnuld, when he said the best way to avoid a collision is to lay it down.

I wasn't there, but it looks like she just gave up and didn't try everything she could have to avoid the car. Well at least she didn't break her wrist. :hand
Ehhh, I looked at it and tried to think of what I would have done, but in a situation like that, I really don't think I would have done anything different except for the curl up into a ball thing. I would've pretty much just taken the hit the way it came. She obviously has some ability to use the brakes, so I don't think she could have stopped in time if she was trying to do that. If you knew what was gonna happen or had a lot more space, maybe you could swerve to the left or something, but other than that, I don't think there was really a way to avoid the accident without having some more time to react.
 
A chick who thinks she's all that, sees a car swerve in front of her so she lets go of the bars and tucks into a ball, then crashes into the car? :rolleyes

That sounds as stupid as Arnuld, when he said the best way to avoid a collision is to lay it down.

I wasn't there, but it looks like she just gave up and didn't try everything she could have to avoid the car. Well at least she didn't break her wrist. :hand

Did you see the thread on her website where she responded to all of the people saying she didn't do everythin she possibly could have to avoid the crash? Especially not braking hard enough...she was like, "Oh you see, this is Smooth Curves Racing, I do everything smoooooth..." :|
 
I can't imagine riding around with my fingers covering the brake all the time, plus trying to use the throttle.

+1

IMO, it's almost always better to swerve than to panic brake. You can change direction a lot faster than you can haul a bike at speed to 0.
 
+1

IMO, it's almost always better to swerve than to panic brake. You can change direction a lot faster than you can haul a bike at speed to 0.

The benefit of covering the brake all the time is that you are (IMO) much less likely to panic brake and more likely to smoothly modulate the brakes. If your hands are off the brake and you have to first find it and then modulate it quickly, you are (IMO) less likely to be as smooth and effective as you could be if you hand was already there and you had a feel for the pressure of the lever.

Learning to be truly smooth on and off the brakes is a skill that very few people have and (IMO) having two fingers covering the brakes helps me be smooth with the brakes and have better feel and a better ability to modulate the brakes and add or subtract braking power very subtly or very firmly as the situation necessitates. The fact is, modern sportbikes have such great brakes that often times all you need is a subtle drag of the brakes to slow the bike enough for corner entry.

Again, this is totally a personal, comfort thing. Whatever makes you confident on a bike is what you should do. However, it's a false assumption to think covering your brake makes you more likely to overbrake.

Oh and I totally disagree about panic swerving being the better option, but that's another whole discussion.
 
-did the MSF ever mention anything to you about covering the front brake? :Popcorn

Not that I recall, but I also don't recall them covering trail braking, hanging off to the inside in curve, dragging a knee to judge lean angle, or throttling through the loss of rear wheel traction.

Big difference between teaching basic skills to total newbs and addressing the full spectrum of motorcycle riding techniques. I would hardly consider the MSF curriculum as a guide to advanced motorcycle skills.
 
I can't imagine riding around with my fingers covering the brake all the time, plus trying to use the throttle.

It's very easy to do.

When you're hard on the throttle, those two fingers naturally ride back off the front of the lever and when you close the throttle, they naturally ride back over the front of the lever. (BTW, if you ever take Reg Pridmore's CLASS school, this is exactly what he teaches.)

In addition to improving my braking, I found that it actually improved my ability to blip the throttle for downshifts and match revs better.
 
:thumbupThis a thank you to all that have generated amazing helpful respones. I know some of the questions seem a little too worrysome to a few of you but these are just little things that are on my mind when im riding.

Back to braking, I noticed on a casual ride a week ago that I was in a lot traffic and utilizing SEE to constantly check and re check my surroundings, when all of a sudden by bike bumped and kind of bucked me upwards and did a quick jerk as if I hit a large pothole or ran over a rock. I'm very quick and attentive to detail and I'm rather constant on scanning up and down the road for potholes or any kids of crazyness in the road. I could safely say I notice more than normal all kinds of holes or large cracks/rocks in the road. I think it comes with being so new on a bike and not wanting to go down that I give extra attention to alertness. ( i plan on making sure that doesn't go away )

Well anyway I didn't know what it was that I hit or ran over but I noticed my first reaction in being suprised by the bike being upset was to immediatly grab the brake. As I started this I turned it into a squeeze of the break realizing that doing a grab in a panic situation just makes things horribly worse. Well what I'm more concerned about is if there is something I can practice BEFORE I'm suprised by a situation and end up just grabbing the brakes again. I guess just putting more miles on the bike and racking up experience will build the right skills to utilize in the situation. But i guess im asking for a better answer than that IF there is one. :teeth
 
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