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Race bikes that are listed as "never raced"

Gixxergirl1000 said:
...and not doing moronic things like bouncing it off the rev limiter when you're riding up and down the local main street on a Friday night to impress whatever chick is walking by (laughing at you). Jes sayin'... :laughing
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I see people doing that shit all the time, I just don't get it.
 
Supa_Hero_RR said:
the bike had some ragged rear tires, you could see some pretty aggressive wear down to both edges.. not only that, but there was balled up rubber underneath the rear fender.

I'm no racer or expert, but I know the signs that a bike has been run HARD. and this one was.
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All of that is pretty standard for a bike that has seen track days. You do ride HARD on the track, even if not racing, but that's what these bikes are designed for. Aggressive cornering (tires worn to the edges), accelerating and braking have no notable impact on the lifespan and reliability of a modern sport bike.

FWIW, my R6 has seen 25000 miles of track and road, been down numerous times, and looks horrendous for the wear, but it runs like a top. I would have zero concerns about a bike that has seen trackdays, even at A pace, if the bike checked out as well maintained and the owner had been consistent about maintenance. I'd be much more concerned about a tire that is flat spotted down the middle on a sportbike, because I would question whether the owner knows what they're doing. Is the chain properly adjusted? Is the oil and filter fresh? Air filter clean? Coolant and brake fluid clean and topped?
 
So, when you sell your Race Replica, since its a "race replica" will you say it was never raced even though its got race in the name? Way easier to trash a bike on the street than on the track.
 
Antarius said:
That's not what he, or I, is saying. If you race, then it is a racebike and that falls into the racebike category.

A person who has a bike dedicated to the track -- but does not race -- is not thrashing the bike as hard as you or I do, because, they don't race and thus aren't "practicing as hard as they race" because, uh, they don't race.

See the difference? You and I would have the same usage on our racebike whether we were doing trackdays or racing, because ultimately we're practicing on our racebike to race at a later date.

A dude who puts race plastics on his CBR1000rr and makes it a "dedicated track bike" but has no intention of, and never actually races, will not have the same wear and tear as one who did.
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On the other hand, I have a friend with an 09 ZX6 that he bought brand new and eventually managed to blow up at the track, on July 6 this year. Well maintained, never raced, but he holed the case. Somewhere around 30k on it I think, and he does a LOT of trackdays and is fast, but not a racebike.

I'd be very surprised if a street-only ZX6 holed the case at 30k, as long as it wasn't run out of oil... but I've seen it happen on a trackbike.
 
Apparently, we scared away Supa Hera. Or he's out buying a book on the difference between Race Bike, Raced, and Racers.
 
OP, I agree with you. If someone lists a bike as "never raced" but it's obviously been raced, then they are lying in their post. Another feature of CL posts.

I recommend you put together a checklist of things that you want in a bike which includes evidence the bike has been mistreated. For instance, ask "Have you ever taken the bike to the track?" If something doesn't fit your list, or the owner can't explain it to your satisfaction, walk. There's more than one G1K out there.

In my opinion, that bike hasn't been raced, but it's probably been ridden aggressively. Why do I say that?

Someone racing (with a racing license, on a racetrack, as part of an organization like AFM, AMA, etc) a G1K is going to have an ample secondary market for such a late-model racebike that they won't need to go to the trouble to restore it to streetable condition (that bike has OEM plastic, mirrors, lights, signals, smoked screen). That, and most racers don't have the time to devote to the task - they'd rather just get rid of the bike and start work on next season's racebike.

If I wanted to validate that a bike hadn't been raced, the first thing I'd do is open up the gas tank and smell it. Race gas has a distinctive odor, and most trackday riders don't use race gas - unless they are racers practicing for the next race. It's not a guarantee, but it's a great place to start.
 
ohio said:
All of that is pretty standard for a bike that has seen track days. You do ride HARD on the track, even if not racing, but that's what these bikes are designed for. Aggressive cornering (tires worn to the edges), accelerating and braking have no notable impact on the lifespan and reliability of a modern sport bike.
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i bet every engine builder on the planet would disagree w/ u.
 
The whole brouhaha over whether trackbikes are better buys than streetbikes and what's reliable and what's not has been hashed over plenty in other threads.

This thread seems to be more about whether words have meanings. :)


kiltwearinfool said:
Race gas has a distinctive odor, and most trackday riders don't use race gas
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I know plenty of track-only riders who use race gas, and I use pump gas when I race. :laughing
 
team1813 said:
It means he has a big penis. There's a clear correlation between penis size and RPMs... DUH!!!!
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Damn, my bad!! Here I been laughing at homeskillet bouncing his 600 off the rev limiter like a moron, and all the while I've been missing the call of the well-hung lothario!! :facepalm

Thank you for setting me straight!! :love

Uhm... you wouldn't have any tips on how to get over the whole "wife beater with an Icon back protector" ick factor, would you? :teeth
 
I would much prefer that a prospective bike was never 'stunted' than never 'raced'.
 
Didnt feel like reading the whole thing after the first 2 pages so sorry if its already been said.... I'd rather have a bike thats been raced, maintained properly, and has been shifted at the proper time to maintain max acceleration than a bike that some dork has been holding at 15,000 rpm for three minutes straight in first gear cuz he thinks it sounds cool when he is cruising his hood and doesnt even know that a bike needs oil changes.
 
stangmx13 said:
i bet every engine builder on the planet would disagree w/ u.
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He said over the lifespan of an average bike....

Most of you only keep a bike for 10-30K miles.....that's nothing

If an engine with that few miles blows up or needs rebuilding just because of street or trackday use, it's either because A) didn't change the oil enough, or B) internal parts were defective from the factory. Not because it was ridden aggressively.
 
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Reli said:
He said over the lifespan of an average bike....

Most of you only keep a bike for 10-30K miles.....that's nothing

If an engine with that few miles blows up or needs rebuilding just because of street or trackday use, it's either because A) didn't change the oil enough, or B) internal parts were defective from the factory. Not because it was ridden aggressively.
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no, ohio said exactly what i quoted.

no one gave any hint of a mileage number.

and i didnt say any such thing (from your 3rd paragraph) either.

practically everything on a motorcycle is a wear item. trackdays and racing accelerate wear... meaning that item will need to be replaced or rebuilt sooner when compared to street miles. therefore, saying that trackdays or racing have no noticeable impact on lifespan or reliability is false. the bike could be in perfect condition; buyers just wonder if those wear items need to be replaced next week or in 3-5 yrs.
 
stangmx13 said:
practically everything on a motorcycle is a wear item. trackdays and racing accelerate wear... meaning that item will need to be replaced or rebuilt sooner when compared to street miles. therefore, saying that trackdays or racing have no noticeable impact on lifespan or reliability is false. the bike could be in perfect condition; buyers just wonder if those wear items need to be replaced next week or in 3-5 yrs.
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and knowing that a bike has been tracked is gonna tell them that? seriously?
 
Climber said:
I would much prefer that a prospective bike was never 'stunted' than never 'raced'.
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So much this!

And this is why:

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Stormdragon said:
Don't let him wear them to bed. Duh. :laughing
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:rofl Awesome! :thumbup
 
^^^ Is that Jack the Smack's buddy?
 
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