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Racism on barf - we don't want it here and....

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busjohn said:
The rule of the thumb is, if the derogatory racial slur/word bothers anyone at all, don't use it period. Regardless if it's chink, towel head, wetback, cracker, nigger, or Jap.

Speaking of "Jap", I've seen it being thrown around alot on motorcycle sites such as this one. I'm sure most posters don't mean any harm when they typed that hateful word but it is still a derogatory racial slur.

I'm not Japanese so it doesn't bother me but I'm sure it bothers some of our fellow Americans with Japanese background. There might be a few that are also members of this site.

It doesn't take anymore effort to type JPN than "Jap". A little courtesy and respect go a long way for everyone.:thumbup
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busjohn said:

The Americans that are hurt by it. Unless you're are them, you won't truly understand. Just know that racial does nothing but cause harm to those that are offended by it. Therefore, show some respect to them by stop using them (not you personally but anyone that has used it). One racial slur is already too many because it represents hate.
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I'm half Japanese, American born, and you know what? Your attitude pisses me off. Generating some fucking dictionary of doubleplusungood words isn't going to eliminate racism: you have missed the memo about context.

Could you be any more condescending than to assume people of a certain genetic background are too stupid to differentiate between a word used in anger and a word used as shorthand?

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It beats looking at his face.



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busjohn said:
The point is does it bother anyone else? If it does, stop and have some respect! Pretty simple concept to me.

I disagree. I simply refuse to live my life worrying about whether or not someone else may be offended by what I say. Bee Tee Dubs, are you talking specifically about racially charged issues, or do you live your entire life according to others' sense of propriety?

Where did I question your parenting skills? Point it out. If you can't point it out, work on your reading comprehension.

"Suit yourself, I hope you're okay when someone throw some serious F-bombs around your young children."
Maybe you didn't actually question my parenting skills, but it seems like you implied a level of inattentiveness. Maybe I was just offended by your inclusion of my family into this discussion. I assume you'll never be mentioning anyone's children again, since it offended someone?

I'm not deciding for anyone, those that are offended by racial slurs have already pointed that out. Point out where I said, I "decide" otherwise work on your reading comp.

you're making this kinda easy.
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Again, when a person makes fun of his/her own group, it's no big deal when others of the same group hears it. Stereotype jokes like that are also far from throwing hateful racial slurs around.
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Maybe it's just me, but it sure sounds like you're deciding that it's no big deal if someone from the same group hears a racist remark.

So you would stop if it hurts your com-padres but not just anyone? If so, suit yourself. I on the other hand, would stop using it if it bothers anyone at all...again going back to the having respect and courtesy toward others point even complete strangers.

Yes, your synopsis is correct. I would consider the feelings of friends and not strangers. Awesome that you are so willing to accommodate the world. Have fun with living your life to please everyone else.


Isn't this thread about "racism". Racism and hateful racial slurs go hand and hand. Racism is NOT cool period regardless of which race it is directed towards.

It's hand IN hand, not hand and hand. Anyway, you seem to think you're the arbiter of what is racism and what is good-natured ribbing. Also, you get to decide who is allowed to laugh (or even say) these racist things. You have an amazing grasp of what all Mexicans feel when two Mexicans make a racist remark, as evidenced by your previous statements. I am suitably impressed by your intimate knowledge of the workings of the human mind, and exactly what is considered racism by the various peoples of the world.
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My main question is why you're so set against using any phrase or word that could be construed as racist (including jokes), but you're ok with an entire thread of racist photochops?
And if Budman is so much on your side of the fence, why did he point out that thread as an example of what's acceptable? Surely someone could be offended by that thread, wouldn't you agree?
 
morthrane said:
I'm half Japanese, American born, and you know what? Your attitude pisses me off. Generating some fucking dictionary of doubleplusungood words isn't going to eliminate racism: you have missed the memo about context.

Could you be any more condescending than to assume people of a certain genetic background are too stupid to differentiate between a word used in anger and a word used as shorthand?

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thank you.
 
Bravnik said:
Racism to a large degree is dead as we know it. Everything in the OP was not racist comments. Racist is a slang word tossed out all the time by people who get offended easily or see it as an excuse to bring out the racism card when in fact what they are calling racist is actually a stereotype.

Racism is kept alive today by the races in question usually. Blacks can call each other the N word all day and it's considered OK but god help anyone of another color who use it towards them. Hypocritical to say the least. If it's a bad, taboo, racist word then it should be for everyone and not just those that are not black.

Racism like I said is basically dead. This is the definition of Racism and you guys need to read and understand the meaning;

"Racism - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."

What this means is a blind hatred against that race regardless of anything else. A true racist hates EVERYONE of that race. Most people today are not racists but base their beliefs of a race on a Stereotype that has been enforced over and over again to create the stereotype in the first place. IE. There is TRUTH to ALL stereotypes to the point that the stereotype was created.

Now do stereotypes apply to all? No, but enough people reenforce the stereotype over and over again to the point that there is truth to them, every single one of them.

Do all Asians drive bad? No, but we as a public see enough bad Asian drivers to create this stereotype. Are all Mexican gardeners? No, but we see them all the time doing just that to create and reenforce the stereotype. Are all blacks thugs? No, but we see it enough on TV and in Real Life to create that stereotype. Are all motorcyclists squids, stupid, reckless, going to die? We all know this to be a no but that does not stop the stereotype being applied to each and every one of us.

I tend to judge people on their actions which show me the real person and I don't consider myself or my race superior to anyone. However, that does not mean I'm going to IGNORE stereotypes and say (as example) walk around in Oakland after dark until the stereotype of Oakland is proven right. I'm going to just go by the Stereotype that Oakland is a dangerous place to be after dark for a white guy to be walking around in. I pretty much think everyone can agree to that. I'm sure there are nice people in Oakland and not everyone there is out to mug, shoot or otherwise do me harm......but that does NOT change the fact that Oakland is a dangerous place and that does NOT make me a racist for believing that.

You people that toss the race card all the time need to get a life and understand human nature a bit more. Take that chip off your shoulder and understand that if you feel discriminated against it probably has NOTHING to do with you but everything to do with your fellow man that created the stereotype and reenforce it on a daily basis. If you want the stereotypes to change it has to start with YOU.

So like the OP says, banning someone for being a racist is hard. Especially when the word it tossed about like popcorn in a movie theater. It will be hard to do because again what a lot of people call racism is actually just life based on stereotypes which again are based on truth. Oh and I'm not saying stereotypes are right, they are simply a fact of life that will never go away so we need to deal with them and live with them. Thats all.
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This is the great white lie of the 21st century, I can believe stereotypes because they are true, but doesn't make me a racist becuase I'm not trying to take over the world.

Stereotypes come from racist attitudes that are self fulfilling prophesies: you believe asains are bad drivers so when you see an asian make a mistake driving you reinforce your bias.
 
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busjohn said:
Why do you think I'm applauding budman for bringing it up?

It is "impossible" to regulate it so people should just know better and try not to offend others. Pretty clear to me.

"There are plenty of existing TOS that make 'racial' comments unacceptable and suspendable." Also pretty clear, if you can't play by the rules, you shouldn't be here.

"BARF in no way supports racism."...I'm just voicing my opinion that I also don't support racism which is the right thing to do.

"We do strongly believe that everyone should be allowed to show their true colors so we can tell who to avoid."...I hope so because racism has no place on BARF period.
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Oh, okay, so you just like to hear yourself talk and troll the shit out this thread. Nice going :thumbup
 
i can drive damn well, thankyouverymuch...:x
 
morthrane said:
I'm half Japanese, American born, and you know what? Your attitude pisses me off. Generating some fucking dictionary of doubleplusungood words isn't going to eliminate racism: you have missed the memo about context.

Could you be any more condescending than to assume people of a certain genetic background are too stupid to differentiate between a word used in anger and a word used as shorthand?

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I love your ASSuming attitude, where did I say it will "eliminate racism" :rolleyes? Racism is learned cycle in most societies. However, there are those of us that try to do what we can to minimize it by not using racial slurs and do things that offends others racially. I'm not sure which side of your family is Japanese-American but ask them (from your mom/dad to your grand parents) if the word "Jap" is offensive to them when it is directed towards them by a white, black, or other race person that they don't know "shorthand" or not.
 
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"Suit yourself, I hope you're okay when someone throw some serious F-bombs around your young children."
Maybe you didn't actually question my parenting skills, but it seems like you implied a level of inattentiveness. Maybe I was just offended by your inclusion of my family into this discussion. I assume you'll never be mentioning anyone's children again, since it offended someone?

You're the one that brought up "children", remember?



you're making this kinda easy.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure sounds like you're deciding that it's no big deal if someone from the same group hears a racist remark.

Wrong assumption, I don't decide, it's the people I've seen that decide when I see them throw racist remarks within their own group and treated as no big deal.


Yes, your synopsis is correct. I would consider the feelings of friends and not strangers. Awesome that you are so willing to accommodate the world. Have fun with living your life to please everyone else.

Doing what I can to help minimize hate based solely on skin tone alone is a good thing and it feels grrrreat! It's also not pleasing others but showing others the same respect and dignity I would like in return.


It's hand IN hand, not hand and hand. Anyway, you seem to think you're the arbiter of what is racism and what is good-natured ribbing. Also, you get to decide who is allowed to laugh (or even say) these racist things. You have an amazing grasp of what all Mexicans feel when two Mexicans make a racist remark, as evidenced by your previous statements. I am suitably impressed by your intimate knowledge of the workings of the human mind, and exactly what is considered racism by the various peoples of the world.

Thanks for correcting my spelling, grammer dood, or is it grammar dude?

However, your assumption is off again, never said "the world". Good job adding things that don't exist.


My main question is why you're so set against using any phrase or word that could be construed as racist (including jokes), but you're ok with an entire thread of racist photochops?

Easy enough: Because I don't like the hate that those words represent. Didn't you say you don't like N-word and it offends you greatly? That's how I feel with all racial slurs.

Assuming again and a bad one too, where did I say I was "ok" with the photochops?


And if Budman is so much on your side of the fence, why did he point out that thread as an example of what's acceptable? Surely someone could be offended by that thread, wouldn't you agree?

Never said Budman was on my side, man you sure like to add things that don't exist. All I said was he did a good thing by bringing the racism issue to everyone's attention and glad he did.
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Could the last of the easily butthurted or the brain dead troglodytes here turn out the lights? Be a doll, garbage too? That shit will stink after while.
 
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[offtopic] One time I had someone who claimed to be Aryan Nation call up and threaten to blow up the radio station I was working at because I was playing NOFX - Kill all the White Man :laughing [/offtopic]
 
Lovedoc said:
Could the last of the easily butthurted or the brain dead troglodytes here turn out the lights? Be a doll, garbage too? That shit will stink after while.
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Doc- I took out the garbage and cleaned the floors too- May I express my :2cents?

Ribbing, joking and prodding about a buddy's race should be OK in the KS when it's done with no harmful intentions (eg. V4 and parking at 99Ranch). It is very hard for the mod core (no- I don't speak for them) to differentiate the differences sometimes.

I've seen some shit that is borderline vile- and I don't wanna see it, nor should others.

I want to remind everyone, first we are riders and we take care of each other the best we can. If you post and call that you need help- you get the calvary of roadside angels. They don't question your race, color, creed. They make the best effort to help Some one who is in a hard spot. WE ARE RIDERS first.

If you joined the forum just to troll, stir shit and post your racist agenda- you are in the wrong place.

I know and take responsibility for when I have said some things that rubbed my fellow riders the wrong way when it comes to being predjucided.

The neighborhood I live in and work in is a lil bit rough to say the least. I am nice and polite to all the miscreants that walk down my street. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors- w/ different issues.

My momma drilled the golden rule into my head.:cool
 
}Dragon{ said:
Doc- I took out the garbage and cleaned the floors too- May I express my :2cents?

Ribbing, joking and prodding about a buddy's race should be OK in the KS when it's done with no harmful intentions (eg. V4 and parking at 99Ranch). It is very hard for the mod core (no- I don't speak for them) to differentiate the differences sometimes.

I've seen some shit that is borderline vile- and I don't wanna see it, nor should others.

I want to remind everyone, first we are riders and we take care of each other the best we can. If you post and call that you need help- you get the calvary of roadside angels. They don't question your race, color, creed. They make the best effort to help Some one who is in a hard spot. WE ARE RIDERS first.

If you joined the forum just to troll, stir shit and post your racist agenda- you are in the wrong place.

I know and take responsibility for when I have said some things that rubbed my fellow riders the wrong way when it comes to being predjucided.

The neighborhood I live in and work in is a lil bit rough to say the least. I am nice and polite to all the miscreants that walk down my street. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors- w/ different issues.

My momma drilled the golden rule into my head.:cool
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Thank you and I guess I've never noticed the worst of it. Personally I guess my inappropriateness on BARF runs to the sexual and maybe we need a thread on that.
 
wazzuFreddo said:
[offtopic] One time I had someone who claimed to be Aryan Nation call up and threaten to blow up the radio station I was working at because I was playing NOFX - Kill all the White Man :laughing [/offtopic]
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[offtopic]One of my best friends was a DJ for KMBY back in the 90s, and he got the same thing for the same song! Small world, with an unfortunately large amount of small-minded people...[/offtopic]
 
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