tzrider
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That'll teach those kids.
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remember those davis students who got famously pepper sprayed? $1 million richer now
- Thread starter kevin 714
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Not the same, Kev.
The orders are valid:
These people are on our property, and aren't supposed to be, remove them.
Since most were students UCD could just have easily said "let them know we'll expel anyone that doesn't move, keep their tuition, and deny them any transcripts."
That would have gotten then moving.
Instead, they told the UCD PD to "remove them."
So, why not hold the administration accountable, here? They had options they didn't use...options that the UCD police do not have.
wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
pesky college kids, all up in the quad demanding silly things like free speech.
Panamahaha
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Short history repeated.
Cycle61
What the shit is this...
The cycle is getting quicker.
Mace bottles are more portable than fire hoses.
Mace bottles are more portable than fire hoses.
Arminius
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Arminius
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Straw man or red herring, take your pick.
Arminius
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OWS movement was anything but peaceful and peaceful assembly does not mean you have the right to trespass.
Agrees. Disobey a lawful order and disrupt peoples lives and cost the school and city tons of money and collect $30K.
Just want to point out that the 'tons of money' part usually has to do with the person making the decision on the appropriate reaction. The government could scramble jets to deal with my jaywalking, but that wouldn't mean that my actions wasted anyone's money. Similarly, college kids sitting on a walkway shouldn't cost a penny.
wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
Three in a row, someone is butthurt 
A-FUCKNG-MEN. blows my mind how few people actual get this perspective and just want to be mad at the cop or the students.
i'm not so sympathetic to the protesters, though. they were given a lawful order to leave and did not. crying about the consequences of that and then getting paid for suffering them is lame, imho.
pepper spray my ass for 30k once a week. i'm down, sans legal fees and court room time. in that vein, i hope they all actually came out in the negative, that their court fees were greater than 250k.
Arminius
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Three in a row, someone is butthurt
You would know all about butthurt now wouldn't you?
Bored libtroll is boring.
no I agree, but werent these kids proytesting tuition rates, not OWS?
Remove them from where? Oh yeah, the campus they pay tuition for. I don't call that trespassing, do you? And what safety hazard was being posed by their presence?
Arminius
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From the article in the link you posted:
"A video of the incident that went viral shows an officer casually walking up to and aiming a thick stream of the spray directly into the faces of seated students at close range during an Occupy rally. "
Even if they were not "officially" part of the OWS movement, they used the OWS momentum to further their cause. You may also recall that the OWS movement has a whole laundry list of causes they were fighting for which is why you saw such a diverse crowd. This was part of the OWS movement's strategy for attracting as many people as they could.
It's not cut and dry, never is. Neither the cops, nor the chancellor, nor the students are 100% to blame. It took poor decision making from all three to make that magical moment happen. The only bummer is, one those parties was rewarded.
LOL, the media calling this an "Occupy rally" just because it used somewhat similar tactics is like calling every independent a teabagger.
It's pathetic, but it was for 'blocking a walkway', someone trying to walk through could trip and fall...
Were the people who were pepper sprayed peaceful?
The fact of the matter is that this would have hardly received any attention if the police had taken out their handcuffs and started handcuffing them one by one rather than taking out their pepper spray can and spraying everybody.
The students weren't even standing up, they were sitting on a sidewalk. Who were they threatening that justified the use of pepper spray?
There's video with proper context to the spraying. Summary:
students surround police and sit down
police order students to allow the surrounded LEOs to leave.
students refuse repeatedly...so far as saying something along the lines of if you do/allow X we will let you go
pepper spray by LEO. stepping over the students with weapons within reach or forcibly removing the students seem like more risky options IMO. just waiting it out only works for so long
Video in question. I agree with Marlowe that the blame actually lies on the heads of the spineless school officials.
At the 6:00 minute mark is when the students surrounded campus police after they made a few arrests but had actually withdrawn from the area students were located.
[youtube]EJSxg5ZaCI4[/youtube]
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