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Riding dirt bike with what gear?

Don't use your snowboard goggles unless you like them full of dust with scratched lenses. Get a set from CG. Also remember in dirt you will be using a LOT more rear brake. TONS more.
 
Smash Allen said:
I think corndog was talking about how a motorcycle behaves the same whether its on asphalt or dirt while you were talking about how a motorcycle rider changes his body position for dirt vs street

What dictates a rider's body position is the center of gravity and available traction. What do you do when you have to ride on a dirt road? You keep your weight over the wheels right? Because placing a horizontal load by leaning off the bike will put you on the ground due to the available traction.
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I think the way you use the brakes and make bikes turn on the dirt is different. But yes, the bike is still a bike.

My statement was that dirt feels faster and the way you ride in dirt is different than on the street. You're attempting to accomplish the same thing, but you go about it differently.
 
louemc said:
Kenny Robert's school should clear things up for you. :afm199 :teeth :) :cool
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I'd love to go to Kenny's school. If you're paying, I'm there.

While we're at it, I'd love to hit up Colin Edwards school, spend a day on Rossi's track and get some private lessons from Brad Baker and Graham Jarvis.

Let me know.
 
RightCoastBias said:
I'd love to go to Kenny's school. If you're paying, I'm there.

While we're at it, I'd love to hit up Colin Edwards school, spend a day on Rossi's track and get some private lessons from Brad Baker and Graham Jarvis.

Let me know.
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Savage
 
RightCoastBias said:
I'd love to go to Kenny's school. If you're paying, I'm there.

While we're at it, I'd love to hit up Colin Edwards school, spend a day on Rossi's track and get some private lessons from Brad Baker and Graham Jarvis.

Let me know.
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I'm Not paying for You, that's Your job And I don't need the school...

I have 60 years of experience, that includes Desert racing, and Bay Area traffic, and the Sierra mountain twisties. :afm199 :thumbup :cool
 
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RightCoastBias said:
Not to mention the mechanics to riding fast in the dirt are not the same as street riding
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corndog67 said:
I have to disagree with that statement. In my opinion, it is the same.
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Well, yes and no.

A dirt rider can translate his/her skills to the street much better than vise versa. So you're both right. To a street only rider, that learned on the street and has only ridden street bikes, dirt will be foreign and more of learning curve. However, dirt riders do well once they take to the street and any new skills are usually adopted quicker.

And speaking of Kenny Roberts, he grew up in the dirt and his skills were dirt track racing long before he began road racing. It was mostly due to his success and other Americans like him that followed that prompted Europeans to see dirt track as a path to better road racers.
 
Maddevill said:
Don't use your snowboard goggles unless you like them full of dust with scratched lenses. Get a set from CG. Also remember in dirt you will be using a LOT more rear brake. TONS more.
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I bought some Scotts goggles from Cycle Gear's bargain bin for about $10.

Back to street/dirt. I think one of the main things dirt will teach you, is to feel for traction. And paying attention to the road surface. It used to make me wonder why people will start a thread about "PSA, Gravel or dirt on Mines/Redwood /Soquel-San Jose/HWY 9 road.......". In my mind, that is something you should already be seeing. Without having to be told that it is there. But then I remember, not everyone started out or grew up on dirtbikes. On the dirt, you really have to pay attention to traction. Really really. Or you end up on the ground a lot. I know a lot of people don't really pay attention to the road surface, they just put their faith in their tires sticking or CalTrans keeping the road clean. A good way to crash, just going along for the ride, but not actively participating.

As a side note, RightCoast. I ride elbows up/attack position on my street bike. I don't ever get close to 65 degree lean.
 
louemc said:
I'm Not paying for You, that's Your job And I don't need the school...

I have 60 years of experience, that includes Desert racing and Bay Area traffic and the Sierra mountain twisties. :afm199 :thumbup :cool
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Yeah yeah, Lou. You've said it many times, we ALL know.
 
redtail said:
Well, yes and no.

A dirt rider can translate his/her skills to the street much better than vise versa. So you're both right. To a street only rider, that learned on the street and has only ridden street bikes, dirt will be foreign and more of learning curve. However, dirt riders do well once they take to the street and any new skills are usually adopted quicker.

And speaking of Kenny Roberts, he grew up in the dirt and his skills were dirt track racing long before he began road racing. It was mostly due to his success and other Americans like him that followed that prompted Europeans to see dirt track as a path to better road racers.
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That, I completely and unequivocally agree with. I believe dirt riding is the best thing you can do to improve street riding.
 
corndog67 said:
On the dirt, you really have to pay attention to traction. Really really. Or you end up on the ground a lot. I know a lot of people don't really pay attention to the road surface, they just put their faith in their tires sticking or CalTrans keeping the road clean.
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Yup, well put corndog! You put more detail in the point I was trying to make. :thumbup
 
corndog67 said:
I bought some Scotts goggles from Cycle Gear's bargain bin for about $10.

Back to street/dirt. I think one of the main things dirt will teach you, is to feel for traction. And paying attention to the road surface. It used to make me wonder why people will start a thread about "PSA, Gravel or dirt on Mines/Redwood /Soquel-San Jose/HWY 9 road.......". In my mind, that is something you should already be seeing. Without having to be told that it is there. But then I remember, not everyone started out or grew up on dirtbikes. On the dirt, you really have to pay attention to traction. Really really. Or you end up on the ground a lot. I know a lot of people don't really pay attention to the road surface, they just put their faith in their tires sticking or CalTrans keeping the road clean. A good way to crash, just going along for the ride, but not actively participating.

As a side note, RightCoast. I ride elbows up/attack position on my street bike. I don't ever get close to 65 degree lean.
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Yes, as do I. But when you're going through a turn at speed, are you pushing the bike down riding above it? Or off to the inside and hanging off a bit?


Really, I think we agree but are having an issue of semantics and communication.
 
RightCoastBias said:
I think the way you use the brakes and make bikes turn on the dirt is different. But yes, the bike is still a bike.

My statement was that dirt feels faster and the way you ride in dirt is different than on the street. You're attempting to accomplish the same thing, but you go about it differently.
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Agreed:thumbup

redtail said:
And speaking of Kenny Roberts, he grew up in the dirt and his skills were dirt track racing long before he began road racing. It was mostly due to his success and other Americans like him that followed that prompted Europeans to see dirt track as a path to better road racers.
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Kenny Roberts was racing with Yamaha flat track and was getting whooped on by Harley. I forget whose idea it was, but Yamaha said "We're losing big in flat track, what do we have to lose? Let's try to build a bike for KR in MotoGP"

Kenny Roberts starts racing with these Yer-Oh-Tards using body positioning that no one else had ever seen before. WHAT THE FUCK! HIS KNEE IS TOUCHING THE GROUND?! HOW IS HE WINNING?!

Kenny Roberts introduced 'knee down' and that was possible from his flat track experience. A whole new way to ride.

Valentino Rossi modeled the famous 'The Ranch' after Kenny Robert's Northern California ranch that had a flat track on it because flat track riding teaches feeling / managing of traction.

Marc Marquez grew up in the dirt. He also brought a new way to ride. ELBOW DOWN WTF?!

Dirt racing and road racing go hand in hand but it was not always so, as a few enlightened ones may forget:twofinger
 
corndog67 said:
Back to street/dirt. I think one of the main things dirt will teach you, is to feel for traction. And paying attention to the road surface. It used to make me wonder why people will start a thread about "PSA, Gravel or dirt on Mines/Redwood /Soquel-San Jose/HWY 9 road.......". In my mind, that is something you should already be seeing. Without having to be told that it is there. But then I remember, not everyone started out or grew up on dirtbikes. On the dirt, you really have to pay attention to traction. Really really. Or you end up on the ground a lot. I know a lot of people don't really pay attention to the road surface, they just put their faith in their tires sticking or CalTrans keeping the road clean. A good way to crash, just going along for the ride, but not actively participating.

As a side note, RightCoast. I ride elbows up/attack position on my street bike. I don't ever get close to 65 degree lean.
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:thumbup The finesse might be so fine, Words won't tell the story..
Only experience will. It is very complex in application. :thumbup
 
Smash Allen said:
Kenny Roberts was racing with Yamaha flat track and was getting whooped on by Harley. I forget whose idea it was, but Yamaha said "We're losing big in flat track, what do we have to lose? Let's try to build a bike for KR in MotoGP"
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You remember that differently than I do. And the term "MotoGP" came years later.

Smash Allen said:
Kenny Roberts introduced 'knee down' and that was possible from his flat track experience.
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Marc Marquez grew up in the dirt. He also brought a new way to ride. ELBOW DOWN WTF?!
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Three words; rear wheel steering. :cool
 
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