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Roundup 125x more toxic than Glyphosate

Yakoo752

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We should keep spraying it everywhere since you know Glyphosate isn't that bad for you...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955666/

What is unique is:

Pesticides are used throughout the world as mixtures called formulations. They contain adjuvants, which are often kept confidential and are called inerts by the manufacturing companies, plus a declared active principle (AP), which is the only one tested in the longest toxicological regulatory tests performed on mammals.
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shocking... the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Billy Mays said it best

Adjuvants in pesticides are generally declared as inerts, and for this reason they are not tested in long-term regulatory experiments. It is thus very surprising that they amplify up to 1000 times the toxicity of their APs in 100% of the cases where they are indicated to be present by the manufacturer. In fact, the differential toxicity between formulations of pesticides and their APs now appears to be a general feature of pesticides toxicology. As we have seen, the role of adjuvants is to increase AP solubility and to protect it from degradation, increasing its half-life, helping cell penetration, and thus enhancing its pesticidal activity and consequently side effects. They can even add their own toxicity. The definition of adjuvants as “inerts” is thus nonsense; even if the US Environmental Protection Agency has recently changed the appellation for “other ingredients,” pesticide adjuvants should be considered as toxic “active” compounds.
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and to get to my title

It is commonly believed that Roundup is among the safest pesticides. This idea is spread by manufacturers, mostly in the reviews they promote, which are often cited in toxicological evaluations of glyphosate-based herbicides. However, Roundup was found in this experiment to be 125 times more toxic than glyphosate. Moreover, despite its reputation, Roundup was by far the most toxic among the herbicides and insecticides tested. This inconsistency between scientific fact and industrial claim may be attributed to huge economic interests, which have been found to falsify health risk assessments and delay health policy decisions.
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No kidding. I buy the undiluted stuff, and step on it a bit, probably twice as strong as they recommend, and it works great.
 
It will either kill us or make us stronger? Or is that about the weeds?

I sprayed 5oz/2Gallons of roundup this morning.
 
Nonsense. Monsanto would never do anything bad, like claim their product isn't poisonous or harmful, especially not just for money. :x
 
Yep everyone needs a nice lawn to keep up with the Joneses. Meanwhile they have to commute 1hr+ to their job, lol.
 
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I gotta laugh at this. First, roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide. Second, there are pesticides out there (organophophates) that will kill you in a very short time. I mean less than an hour. They are basically diluted nerve "gas". Roundup is not even in that ballpark. Given those two glaring discrepancies, I'm not sure I give much credence to the rest of the article.

O, and roundup has a half life of a couple days.

The most toxic chemicals in that test were the fungicides, and that was the group tested at low concentration, not roundup.
 
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Of course it's toxic, it fucking works.

This sounds like another Libtard freaking the fuck out because they can't afford to own a lawn in San Francisco, so they want to make it so mine looks like shit here in Sonoma County.
 
afm199 said:
I gotta laugh at this. First, roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide. Second, there are pesticides out there (organophophates) that will kill you in a very short time. I mean less than an hour. They are basically diluted nerve "gas". Roundup is not even in that ballpark. Given those two glaring discrepancies, I'm not sure I give much credence to the rest of the article.

O, and roundup has a half life of a couple days.

The most toxic chemicals in that test were the fungicides, and that was the group tested at low concentration, not roundup.
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Actually by definition Roundup is a pesticide. :facepalm So I am glad you are willing to laugh at an article because you don't understand definitions...

Pesticides are substances meant for attracting, seducing, destroying, or mitigating any pest. They are a class of biocide. The most common use of pesticides is as plant protection products (also known as crop protection products), which in general protect plants from damaging influences such as weeds, plant diseases or insects.

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and where do you get your numbers on half life?

Anaerobic half-life - 22.1 days
Aerobic half-life - 96.4 day
Field dissipation half-life - 44 days

The spread between OP is pretty large. Malathion is pretty mellow while Sarin/VX is lethal.
 
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Yakoo752 said:
Actually by definition Roundup is a pesticide. :facepalm So I am glad you are willing to laugh at an article because you don't understand definitions...

Pesticides are substances meant for attracting, seducing, destroying, or mitigating any pest. They are a class of biocide. The most common use of pesticides is as plant protection products (also known as crop protection products), which in general protect plants from damaging influences such as weeds, plant diseases or insects.

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and where do you get your numbers on half life?

Anaerobic half-life - 22.1 days
Aerobic half-life - 96.4 day
Field dissipation half-life - 44 days
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I agree that I used the terminology improperly (the term pesticide included insecticide, fungicide and herbicide, and Roundup is an herbicide) though the article clearly stated that the fungicides, not roundup, were used at 1/600 concentration and were by far the most dangerous pesticide tested. Nor am I a Roundup ready fan. I don't like GMO's. I got my stats the same place you did, the internet.
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Wait, you're telling me something that kills living things is toxic? Who'da thought?

Here's a tip. Don't ingest it and don't spray it on yourself. Problem solved.
 
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but my internet is referrable studies ;) ... http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/glyphos.pdf

which could all be lies

and this article isn't even really about how dangerous they are... it's really an opening discussion as to how the testing procedure for compliances are flawed.

Our results challenge the relevance of the acceptable daily intake for pesticides because this norm is calculated from the toxicity of the active principle alone.
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Doesn't Roman sell something for plants? Those damn dirty plants


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Yakoo752 said:
:laughing

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but my internet is referrable studies ;) ... http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/glyphos.pdf

which could all be lies

and this article isn't even really about how dangerous they are... it's really an opening discussion as to how the testing procedure for compliances are flawed.
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I agree, and this may be a big deal. What I wish the study had approached was some measure of effect on life span/health and sustainability of crops treated and human effects. And there are already many studies that show very little damage to humans/animals from glyphosate or Round up. This may be a clarion call to look more closely. I don't think it's the death sentence or indicates some overlooked catastrophic problems. Could be wrong.
 
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I use roundup on my pubes
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I miss the days of DDT. Get a case of teh crabs from the friendly neighborhood lady, pull the front of your pants forward and shake two shakes of DDT into your crotch (or snatch). Bingo. All fixed.
 
Antarius said:
Of course it's toxic, it fucking works.

This sounds like another Libtard freaking the fuck out because they can't afford to own a lawn in San Francisco, so they want to make it so mine looks like shit here in Sonoma County.
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:rofl :rofl Oh man, that's just poetry.
 
LOl people and their lawns. Makes no sense to me. Wasting water and poisoning the ground so they can have a nice square of grass. When there's local plants that grown just fine with no upkeep.


I look outside my barn and see avout 7 acres of grass no one has ever watered. And yet, there it is. Amazing that indigenous plants actually grow just fine on their own lol shot famed crap grows so well it's like five feet tall.
 
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