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Run? Swim? Bike? It's the Triathlon / Multisport thread!

How long ago was Oceanside?

Another indicator of overtraining would be your resting heart rate -- is it elevated?

For a running event, minimum recovery is the race distance in days. After a marathon, you would need a minimum of 26.2 days [27 days] to recover, add more if you RHR is still elevated.

For a cycling event, divide the race distance by 3, giving you minimum days of recovery....add more if your RHR is still elevated or if you attempt to workout and suck really bad:p

For a triathlon, recovery is race distance in days (minimum) to half the total race distance ie Half Ironman 13.1 - 35.15 days [14-36 days]....14 days minimum -- if you have to workout [active recovery] stay in the ZONE as fawndog mentioned. I wouldn't attempt any PR during this time.

Of course these numbers would be different for Pro athletes who race IM races consecutive weekends at times...:loco
 
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Damn.. Roxy says minnimum, (running distance in days) like 14 days and if you do anything, 60%-70% max heart rate.

3 days after the Boggs 8 hr, we did a familiar training ride, and we were sucking so bad we took another 4 days off.

climbing Canyon Trail is no way in the the 60-70% range:wtf:laughing
 
4 weeks ago was the Half, but I got sick a week after the race so that forced me to rest and I didn't go crazy with heart rate until last weekend. Even that was not intentional, I was riding at a low effort (perceived), but couldn't keep my HR from climbing way up there. I am just going to go real easy this and next week.
 
Congrats to my dad, he just finished the Boston Marathon in 4:33.02 :thumbup

JT, as the guys said, you need more recovery. The bug you had for a week will likely tack on a couple of weeks to the recovery. Track your heart rate and monitor that way. Perceived exertion will just fool you into thinking you are ready to get back into things too soon and cause possible injuries, while retarding progress.

Sorry for the lack of a write up. I'm not sure I'm gonna have the ability to get to it soon. Long story short, my old cervical injury is acting up, and I may need to have a spinal fusion this year. I see my orthopedic surgeon in May and my neurosurgeon in June. With the baby coming in July, I think my training is done for the year unless the doc gives me the go ahead.

Gregory, I'm glad you talked me into doing that tri, I may not have another chance to do another for a while. :thumbup
 
Hey Mike, Have a great race tomorrow at Wildflower!

Looking forward to your race report. :)

-ak-
 
Thanks! I'm crazy nervous right now :)

Swim: 45 minutes (it'll be close)
Bike: 3 hours (doubt it - 3:15 is more realistic)
Run: 2 hours 10 minutes (if I'm not too wrecked from the bike, I think I have it)

I'm on my way at 2:00 PM - thanks for all the good luck wishes!
 
And good luck to everyone else doing this too (Joel and Tigert) - it's a huge event, but I hope to see both of you down there!
 
[estimated]
3000 participants for long course.
3500 participants for the olympic.

But I'll still be looking for you Mike if you're around on Sunday.
 
Wildflower 2008

The short version

I did better than I hoped in the swim and on the bike, and paid for it with my run.

The slightly longer version

I was feeling good going in, tipping the scales at just under 160 lbs - 20 lbs down on my New Years weight.

Unfortunately, things didn't quite pan out the way I had hoped

The swim - 1.2 miles w/ a goal of 45 minutes

I started off at the back of the crowd as I usually do, but this time I didn't get left behind! Conditions were good, with water temperatures in the 60s and just a bit of chop about 15 minutes in. As I emerged from the water, I glanced at my watch and was pleasantly surprised to see a 42:57 - I was ahead of schedule! Considering it took me the same time to do the 0.9 mile swim at the Santa Cruz Sentinel triathlon last year, I was stoked!

The bike - 56 miles w/ a goal of 3 hours 15 minutes

I didn't think I was overdoing it on the bike, but evidently I did. I was conservative on my hill climbs, but ended up pushing a little harder than I should have, playing a little draft and pass game with about three other riders for right around an hour. I know it's illegal, but they slowed down once they got in front of me - I had to get em back!

At the top of Nasty Grade, I stood up to crank the final 50 or so meters to the summit, but felt my legs starting to tighten up. I sat down and rolled in from there, hoping I still had plenty for the run.

As I rolled into the transition area, I was once again pleased to see that I was ahead of schedule, as my watch read 3:07:40 - my 6:30 target time was looking good! Just to compare, I did a 3:24 at Wildflower two years ago, a 3:02 at Big Kahuna two years ago (way flatter), and a 3:02 at Vineman last year (flatter, but not as flat as Big Kahuna). Needless to say, I was pretty happy :)

The run - 13.1 miles w/ a goal of 2 hours 15 minutes

I felt a touch on the weak side for the first couple of miles, but still managed to pull some 9:30 / miles on some relatively flat terrain. Since I needed 10:30s to make my goal, I was feeling pretty good.

Then came the hills. Running for longer than 1/4 mile would cause sharp pains in my neck and lower back, with hills putting my quads and hamstrings on the verge of locking up at anything more than a walking pace. Carefully, I continued on.

Then came the blisters on my heels and the arches of my feet. I whispered to myself, "ignore the pain and 6:30 is yours", and kept moving.

Then came the bits of dirt / gravel that got into my shoes, burrowing into the soles of my feet. Once again, I whispered to myself, "ignore the pain and that 6:30 is yours", and kept moving.

Then came the cramps - there was no ignoring those. I threw down water and gatorade, and Thermolytes as I limped along, massaging my hamstring as I went after stopping momentarily in pain. I looked at my watch - barring some kind of miracle, my 6:30 wasn't going to happen. But I kept moving.

In the end, I crossed the line 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 18 seconds after starting the run - over half an hour longer than it took me to complete my 13.1 mile training run. It turned out that I missed my goal by just over 9 minutes, with a final time of 6 hours, 39 minutes, and 6 seconds - over 40 minutes faster than when I last did it in 2006!

Final thoughts

- I just picked up the Total Immersion book, and am looking forward to seeing what the difference the drills make. My swim improved by leaps and bounds, but there's still lots of time to be made.

- My bike was still on the aggressive side. Deep down, I'm still the same overaggressive motorcycle racer that wants to keep picking people off - that needs to stop. According to an AFMer who was a nationally ranked Ironman competitor, giving up 10 minutes on the bike will get me 20 minutes on the run.

- More and harder brick workouts.

- More and longer bike rides where I slow it down to go the distance without bonking.

With a 300 person waiting list for Vineman, it looks like I'll be waiting until October for my next shot. As slowly as I'm limping around right now, it's almost hard to believe when I say I'm looking forward to it. But really - I am :)
 
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:thumbup Mikey!

(If it helps, and I'm not too slow for ya, I'm happy to pace you for those longer, endurance cycling sessions when you start training for the next one.)
 
OK, I call bullshit on the swim time. or else you are part fish.:rofl

17.46 mph in the water?

Wounded farm animals swim faster than I do. I'm improving though :)

Good catch - it was a 1.2 mile swim! You'll have to excuse me, I'm still recovering from the weekend.

Nice job Mike.

Thanks Bill! I started reading the Total Immersion book, and I really like how it described swim workouts. Particularly how run / bike / weight room workouts usually leave people feeling beat up, but a good swim workout usually leaves someone feeling refreshed. A lot of what you've told, taught, and showed me is re-iterated in the book - I'm looking forward to trying out some of the techniques in my next workout! As beat up as I am from the event, swimming will probably be my focus for a little bit.

John / Roxy - hope you guys can make it out there with me soon for more multi-sport stuff! I really dig pushing and testing myself at these events :)
 
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