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Sacramento Rider Down

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Sacramento
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2008 WR250X
Name
Nate
Well this is my first post ever on this website, hate for something like this to be my first but it is.

On my way home from my girlfriends I saw the after math of a bad bike wreck; the bike in pieces, the front split from the rear. There was a tarp over the front forks and the ambulance was still there, so I am assuming the worse.

Its not clear to me how the accident happened, and how it could be so bad. I mean the roads speed limit is 45. It looks like the bike broad sided the Impala, but thats what doesn't make sense to me. The Impala could only turn right at that intersection, and the bike could only go left from the other lane; however the bike hit the passengers side. If any one is familiar with the south Sacramento / Elk Grove area this happened on Elk Grove - Florin Road between Calvine and Brittany Park.

Very sobering day for me, my first time seeing a bike wreck in person. The day I had just passed my MSF class 4 hours ago.

God Bless Brother, may you find solace with the grace of God. My prayers and thoughts go out to his family. RIP Stay safe out there guys



 
Simple...the car pulled out in front of the bike. He was riding down the road, and went straight into the side of it...I'm not famlier with that area, but that's certainly what it looks like...

God be with that biker and his family...
 
not that simple

Z3n, its not that simple....

there is a median that divides the traffic both ways. so the place the where they collided was in the north bound lane, where the car HAS to pull out to the right. the bike was heading south bound and turned into the left turn thing. the car is facing straight, not sure if it was moved or what.
 
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Diablohtr said:
Z3n, its not that simple....

there is a median that divides the traffic both ways. so the place the where they collided was in the north bound lane, where the car HAS to pull out to the right. the bike was heading south bound and turned into the left turn thing. the car is facing straight, not sure if it was moved or what.
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Here's a shot of the intersection:

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Thanks Dragon, you beat me to posting that one up. I guess it is possible the car just pulled out straight before starting to turn.
 
It's really hard to say from the picture- from just looking at (trying to figure direction and speed w/o seeing any skidmarks).

I think the cage may have been makeing a left from s/b onto robbins and the rider was heading northbound (the car was moved post accident- perhaps to block the rider from further injury).

Notice the debris field on the bike flows north.
 
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Kid was 19... New Gixxer...

He was reported going around 85mph northbound.

Black lady in the car was turning left onto robins, southbound. She apparently thought he was far away and took the turn.

Kim, the rider, was going faster than she thought and t-boned her.

Died on impact. There is a decent 20-30 foot skid mark in the center of the lane. (I drive past the exact spot just about everyday)

She is not being charged with anything because Kim was speeding.

The car is flipped around in the images to block traffic...

His funeral was yesterday...

And another thing, that satellite image is really old. There is a KFC on the lower right side and some construction going on in the top right field.

Elk grove is the fastest growing city in america for a reason... :)

RIP
 
Fuzzy,

Thanks for the update and the explanation of what happened.

I drive that road daily; actually my house is backed up to Elk Grove Florin off of Brittany Park, so this really hits home for me. I think he and I may have graduated together if he was 19, however I did not know him.

Also, how did you find out about what happened? Was there an article in the Bee of the Elk Grove paper? Thanks.
 
From friends of the kid.

There is a guy that rides at the post office... He said a police officer comes in there and told him about it... The cop said he was going an estimated 85mph.

I kind of put 2 and 2 together to figure out the actual collision. Skid mark is going north in the left lane right before the intersection for the left turn on to robbins.

Damage on the car is on the right side, as shown in the pictures... So that is the only way the accident could have happened.


I posted the image and some questions on myspace and got a few replies with his name and age... And the fact he got the bike a week or so before the accident.


And I ride that exact road monday - friday... To work on florin perkins and to sac state university. I actually ride his exact skid mark every time I go by. It is a kinda curved skid mark. Starts and veers right a tad bit... Looking at the car damage you can come up with some assumptions...

The windows are fine and all the damage is low. Judging with that and the skid mark, he locked the tires up and low sided it right into the car. Died on impact. I would imagine 85mph to a dead stop would kill ya quickly.

At least he didn't feel much pain... I can only imagine what would rush through your head the instant he realized it and locked up his brakes... Must be pretty intense...
 
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What a waste... of course death is loss, and the family is probably devastated, but from my point of view I can't help but think that the kid could've lived if he had been more careful and respected the power of his bike. There are times to use it and times to keep it in check, and those who can't keep it in check usually end up painting the roadway red.

Not only that, but if we want to keep riding powerful bikes, we're going to have to make a point of educating people about the pitfalls of careless riding. When one sportbike rider eats it, we all lose.
 
Condolences to his family and friends...not a phone call I'd want to recieve.

On another note:

My father (who does accident reconstruction) has cleaned up so many accidents that happened just like this one - biker was going WAY over the limit, car/truck didn't judge their speed to be anywhere near that fast, and bike hits vehicle as they pull out (thinking they have plenty of time).

People do NOT "plan" on someone going that much over the speed limit - 5-10 over, sure, but not nearly 2X the limit. I would dare to say that a majority of the fatal bike accidents my dad has dealt with were caused by nearly this exact type of scenario.

:rip
 
I don't know about you, but I can tell if someone is going that fast. I won't pull out if they look like they'll be on top of me in a couple of seconds.
 
It's very difficult to triangulate a motorcycle vs. a car - and even if you can tell that, I would doubt that you are actively looking for people going 2X the posted limit...and most cage drivers are definitly NOT looking for that - come on, they attempt to run us over when we are going the speed limit just like everyone else.

Even I have been known to pull out in front of another bike (in town) who was going MUCH faster than traffic - but at that time of day (evening) it was nearly impossible to tell that they were moving that fast - and I technically should have had PLENTY of time - they ended up right on my tail.

Sorry, but if you are dumb enough to think that it's okay to go that fast (especially in town and near intersections), you will probably end up dead - people don't expect it!
 
HtChic said:
Sorry, but if you are dumb enough to think that it's okay to go that fast (especially in town and near intersections), you will probably end up dead - people don't expect it!
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+1



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Smaller objects always appear faster than larger objects.
 
I somehow missed this before, when you guys posted the satelite pictures, but damn...my condolences to his family.

This really, to me, drives home the need for more stringent licensing requirements. I'm all for allowing whoever to buy whatever they want, but they should at least have a clue as to what they're getting into...you wouldn't give a kid the keys to an Enzo to start them off, and that's basically what the GSX-R is up to 100 mph. The only difference is...it takes skill and experience to stop and turn on the GSX-R, whereas the Enzo you just turn the wheel like every other car....

Poor, reckless kid...poor family.
 
Kids make mistakes...

This is a perfect example...

He, unfortunately, payed the ultimate price...


I bet his parents totally regret buying him the bike now... This is what every parent who has a kid who rides fears...
 
Z3n said:
This really, to me, drives home the need for more stringent licensing requirements. I'm all for allowing whoever to buy whatever they want, but they should at least have a clue as to what they're getting into...you wouldn't give a kid the keys to an Enzo to start them off, and that's basically what the GSX-R is up to 100 mph. The only difference is...it takes skill and experience to stop and turn on the GSX-R, whereas the Enzo you just turn the wheel like every other car....
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Tiered licensing isn't a solution; Better training: Make the MSF a 5 day course. Second, have dealers check for license and insurance on new bike purchases.
 
Dealers don't care really...

If some 17 year old kid wants a hayabusa or an r1 they won't even hesitate to sell it...

They just want the $$$
 
}Dragon{ said:
Tiered licensing isn't a solution; Better training: Make the MSF a 5 day course. Second, have dealers check for license and insurance on new bike purchases.
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Making better training available is one thing. What's truly needed is for new riders to really want it. Some think they don't need it.
 
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