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Sam's Club is replacing their workers with machines

mikev said:
oh I get it now. Didn't specify that the companies wanted workers to die, just that workers would die earlier.

That could well be possible also -- a lot of people tie their self worth into their job, an honest days work, etc.
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Still off. It's not people tying their self-worth to working.

It's the Powers That Be (People who control the country) who would want people who are no longer useful to just die.

There will never be a utopia where automation has made it so that people no longer need to work. The reason for this is that wealth will be concentrated in just a few people and they are going to view the rest of the human race as extraneous consumers and no longer useful. Since they control the resources they'll be able to designate who they want to keep alive and who they don't.
 
kevin 714 said:
We built a service based economy and then plan on replacing all those service workers with machines.


Where are these people going to work
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machines don't sell and promote products, sales people do. When companies shift to order takers and glorified mannequins, this shit happens. Companies who actually "Sell" get a higher price for their item comparatively.

But that's why you don't put CFO's in charge of companies.
 
Holeshot said:
machines don't sell and promote products, sales people do. When companies shift to order takers and glorified mannequins, this shit happens. Companies who actually "Sell" get a higher price for their item comparatively.

But that's why you don't put CFO's in charge of companies.
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someone has to sell the mannequins
 
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Yakoo752 said:
someone has to sell the mannequins
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Why is people even surprised?

The biggest fallacy and lie of automation, which was to free up people from miserable work so people could devote time and energy towards a fulfilling life, is that every automation actually caused one more unemployed class. Wait until the self-driving car arrives. Millions will be unemployed in America alone.
 
Marcoose said:
Why is people even surprised?

The biggest fallacy and lie of automation, which was to free up people from miserable work so people could devote time and energy towards a fulfilling life, is that every automation actually caused one more unemployed class. Wait until the self-driving car arrives. Millions will be unemployed in America alone.
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I'm not sure it quite works that way or as simple as you think. The economy is dynamic in supply and demand. Sure, for a while, there will be unemployment, but eventually, companies will be forced to hire people again. Otherwise, who will buy their products and services?

I think automation opens up doors to a different type of society. I'm not sure there will be a shortage in jobs, just shortage in face-to-face service jobs.
 
jh2586 said:
I think automation opens up doors to a different type of society. I'm not sure there will be a shortage in jobs, just shortage in face-to-face service jobs.
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agreed - but I think it really pushes the wedge of class separatism further
 
Holeshot said:
machines don't sell and promote products, sales people do. When companies shift to order takers and glorified mannequins, this shit happens. Companies who actually "Sell" get a higher price for their item comparatively.

But that's why you don't put CFO's in charge of companies.
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One aspect of my job is to design and deploy automation via business systems to enhance sales efficiency/efficacy. On target earnings for the typical sales rep that I support starts at 200k+. Their time is bloody expensive and I want to make sure that they're spending their time on the phone or on site with prospects/clients, not doing BS data entry/filling out forms/chasing after approvals/sifting through garbage leads, etc.

Yes, some of my automation work has eliminated a number of soul crushing jobs that shouldn't exist in modern times (data entry/processors) but when you grow revenue, you create other jobs within the company.
 
Somebody has to build those robots. Although with the way things going it will be done by ten year olds in China, or whatever poor country can be exploited for their cheap labor resource.
 
UDRider said:
Somebody has to build those robots. Although with the way things going it will be done by ten year olds in China, or whatever poor country can be exploited for their cheap labor resource.
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jh2586 said:
I'm not sure it quite works that way or as simple as you think. The economy is dynamic in supply and demand. Sure, for a while, there will be unemployment, but eventually, companies will be forced to hire people again. Otherwise, who will buy their products and services?

I think automation opens up doors to a different type of society. I'm not sure there will be a shortage in jobs, just shortage in face-to-face service jobs.
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The sage has spoken.
 
Not sage. Somebody has to design all the individual components, robot as a whole, program it and then finally assemble it. More and more tech jobs are moving out of U.S. (again), to China, India, Russia. Majority of high tech manufacturing is already done outside of U.S. For example Intel just announced they will manufacture next generation of NAND, 3d NAND, in china. That is cutting edge tech being manufactured there. I think only thing that prevents them moving their CPU fabs there for 14 NM, and down the road 8 NM are U.S. restrictions on export technology.
 
UDRider said:
Not sage. Somebody has to design all the individual components, robot as a whole, program it and then finally assemble it. More and more tech jobs are moving out of U.S. (again), to China, India, Russia. Majority of high tech manufacturing is already done outside of U.S. For example Intel just announced they will manufacture next generation of NAND, 3d NAND, in china. That is cutting edge tech being manufactured there. I think only thing that prevents them moving their CPU fabs there for 14 NM, and down the road 8 NM are U.S. restrictions on export technology.
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Sounds very sage to me. Tho, it's told I'm too simplistic. Perhaps we're both simple people. :dunno
 
kevin 714 said:
We built a service based economy and then plan on replacing all those service workers with machines.


Where are these people going to work
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It will be more efficient, but that's not to say it will actually be better. A solid middle class, excellent education, and strong poverty relief programs aren't very efficient, though they do make a society worth living in.
 
Is Sam's Club/WalMart a lifetime job? Would you want to stay at a job where you have to get food stamps and social servuces to get by? People generally have choices.
 
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