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SBR vs. BARF???
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Silence
Mostly dead
Chill out... it's just a website... I filter things out automatically now... if you don't like it... don't read it and move on to the tasty bits. 
In my opinion anytime that a person of power like a mod makes comments about anything they are always taken differently. If you are bestowed power by the TSC then weather you realize it or not, you are representing the business.
I do not think that a moderator or supervisor can say the same thing as fr0ng (just using your name as an example) in this case and have it be seen as just another forum member. When you took the responsability of a moderator you also took on the role of representing TSC's company, BARF.
I do not have a problem with what was said, everything gets thrown on a message board anyhow. If not by L2BA, then someone else will say it.
The mod statement was simply because I would not want a member of my team to speak about someone in such a maner and I find it unprofessional. I think that when representing ones company, one should act in a professional manner. I ask my employees to represtent the company I work for in the same way they would represent thier own company if they owned it.
Again, I have no problem with what was said, or who said it. I only have a concern with the title that is carried by who said it. To me it shows a bad representaion of the company as a whole.
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As far as being paid to be a rep. of a company. That doesn't matter IMO. You are still taking on the responsability of representing the company that you hold the title for. Paid or unpaid.
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If everything that is written here is a user opinion then take the Moderator logo from under the names. You would be representing yourself and not the company. If people have issues, they can click on the "Report this post to a mod" link the same way I would. Or send a pm to TSC.
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Please take what I say with a grain of salt. I have noticed in the short time that I have been here, that the moral of the community has gone down some. Maybe it is due to the problems in the SC mountians, maybe it happens like this every year, I don't know. My point is if I look at how the company, BARF in this case, is represented by the people in charge. I will form an opinion of how the community as a whole is operated. I will then decide if I want to continue visiting the site/company. I do like this site and some of the people are very kind and helpful. But, if I was a new person that was not use to a forum enviornment, I would be turned off by the moderator of a forum saying what was said.
Again, this is just an opinion of one person. Take if for what it's worth. Flame me or agree with me, it is just an observation
Oh, I am a member of both communities, and I like them both.
Thanks,
Roger
I do not think that a moderator or supervisor can say the same thing as fr0ng (just using your name as an example) in this case and have it be seen as just another forum member. When you took the responsability of a moderator you also took on the role of representing TSC's company, BARF.
I do not have a problem with what was said, everything gets thrown on a message board anyhow. If not by L2BA, then someone else will say it.
The mod statement was simply because I would not want a member of my team to speak about someone in such a maner and I find it unprofessional. I think that when representing ones company, one should act in a professional manner. I ask my employees to represtent the company I work for in the same way they would represent thier own company if they owned it.
Again, I have no problem with what was said, or who said it. I only have a concern with the title that is carried by who said it. To me it shows a bad representaion of the company as a whole.
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As far as being paid to be a rep. of a company. That doesn't matter IMO. You are still taking on the responsability of representing the company that you hold the title for. Paid or unpaid.
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If everything that is written here is a user opinion then take the Moderator logo from under the names. You would be representing yourself and not the company. If people have issues, they can click on the "Report this post to a mod" link the same way I would. Or send a pm to TSC.
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Please take what I say with a grain of salt. I have noticed in the short time that I have been here, that the moral of the community has gone down some. Maybe it is due to the problems in the SC mountians, maybe it happens like this every year, I don't know. My point is if I look at how the company, BARF in this case, is represented by the people in charge. I will form an opinion of how the community as a whole is operated. I will then decide if I want to continue visiting the site/company. I do like this site and some of the people are very kind and helpful. But, if I was a new person that was not use to a forum enviornment, I would be turned off by the moderator of a forum saying what was said.
Again, this is just an opinion of one person. Take if for what it's worth. Flame me or agree with me, it is just an observation
Oh, I am a member of both communities, and I like them both.
Thanks,
Roger
Likely2BAirborn
Active member
You have many good points. Unfortunetly this is not a company. This is a community. You are basically saying I check my personality at the door and be robot. Let me ask you this... What do you think drives someone to mod this place? It is not the pay I can tell you that. Personally I mod here because I love the concept, and I love what it has done for me and for everyone else. If I can not be myself and say what I want, what reason would I have to stay? I honestly hope you don't exepect me to sit here like a 90 year old man stareing out a window, becuase thats not going to happen.
Unlike most busniess you are probably used to, BARF is not in the busniess of selling product so to speak. What we can offer is 6000+ focused eyes in the motorcycle community. What does this mean to the "consumer"? Well it means the more the numbers grow, the more eyes will see their banners, come to their booths etc. My conduct on here is MUCH more tame than a lot of you. Do you think me as a mod would lower those numbers? Or people like fr0ng who constantly complain about the place pushing customers away. That said from a busniess standpoint I am the security guard keeping the protestors away
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oh I almost forgot. Your comment about BARF being represented by the people in charge could not be any more wrong. Barf is represented by its members not by the whole 11 people that mod it. And I hardly would say they we are in charge. If we are, things drastically need to change, and I am sure they will.
Unlike most busniess you are probably used to, BARF is not in the busniess of selling product so to speak. What we can offer is 6000+ focused eyes in the motorcycle community. What does this mean to the "consumer"? Well it means the more the numbers grow, the more eyes will see their banners, come to their booths etc. My conduct on here is MUCH more tame than a lot of you. Do you think me as a mod would lower those numbers? Or people like fr0ng who constantly complain about the place pushing customers away. That said from a busniess standpoint I am the security guard keeping the protestors away
.oh I almost forgot. Your comment about BARF being represented by the people in charge could not be any more wrong. Barf is represented by its members not by the whole 11 people that mod it. And I hardly would say they we are in charge. If we are, things drastically need to change, and I am sure they will.
canyonrat
Veteran Knee Dragger
All you all are missing a major difference between the two sites BARF and SBR.
SBR site luns smoother and "looks better" than BARF. But BARF is likely the first M/C site to go "SUPER BIG!" with tons of people logging on every day. If I were in the M/C industry I'd be advertising on BARF big time!
Don't react to other peoples insensitive posts, but respond level headed and move on, or don't say anything and read something else.
Remember, freedom of speech should also include the wisdom to know when to keep your mouth shut.
SBR site luns smoother and "looks better" than BARF. But BARF is likely the first M/C site to go "SUPER BIG!" with tons of people logging on every day. If I were in the M/C industry I'd be advertising on BARF big time!
Don't react to other peoples insensitive posts, but respond level headed and move on, or don't say anything and read something else.
Remember, freedom of speech should also include the wisdom to know when to keep your mouth shut.
JackTheTripper
Shotline For Mod
02TonaCE said:
See, this strikes me as kind of interesting. If I don't agree with you then I'm flaming you. Is this what you meant to say? Maybe not. or at least I don't think you would agree with me on this. But maybe it was a sub-concious Freudian slip of the tough.
Ok, really i'm not implying YOU think this way, but sometimes it seems to me others here DO think this way. And that's the point I'm trying to make. Some people just can't understand that when they say they think Budbandit (Just for example) is wrong and someone says they think he's right it's not a flame, just a difference of opinion.
Likely2BAirborn said:You have many good points. Unfortunetly this is not a company. This is a community. You are basically saying I check my personality at the door and be robot. Let me ask you this... What do you think drives someone to mod this place? It is not the pay I can tell you that. Personally I mod here because I love the concept, and I love what it has done for me and for everyone else. If I can not be myself and say what I want, what reason would I have to stay? I honestly hope you don't exepect me to sit here like a 90 year old man stareing out a window, becuase thats not going to happen.
Unlike most busniess you are probably used to, BARF is not in the busniess of selling product so to speak. What we can offer is 6000+ focused eyes in the motorcycle community. What does this mean to the "consumer"? Well it means the more the numbers grow, the more eyes will see their banners, come to their booths etc. My conduct on here is MUCH more tame than a lot of you. Do you think me as a mod would lower those numbers? Or people like fr0ng who constantly complain about the place pushing customers away. That said from a busniess standpoint I am the security guard keeping the protestors away
oh I almost forgot. Your comment about BARF being represented by the people in charge could not be any more wrong. Barf is represented by its members not by the whole 11 people that mod it. And I hardly would say they we are in charge. If we are, things drastically need to change, and I am sure they will.
I understand your point of view, and agree with it myeslf..but I think what 02TonaCE is trying to say is that since you are a moderator you are seen as an example of what we should all be doing.
JackTheTripper
Shotline For Mod
fr0ng said:
We tried that route fr0ng, it didn't work. Now I try to make my point. If it doesn't come accross, I'll try again. If it still doesn't I'll give up cause there is no changing some people. And if they get snotty, I may just get a little snotty back. I learned that from likely.
You bring up god points yourself. I do not expect anyone to be robot. That is not what a community is about.
I applaude any mod on any forum, it is a thankless job that is not to be taken on by everyone.
I understand what you say about community vs. company and maybe I just looked at it in a different light. It's probablly my background in management that has me do this.
The 11 people in charge would have all of my support i booting out a bad apple or two. Or putting the privledges in check if that were an option. Again, modding is not easy and I would not go back to doing it for the most part.
Best of luck with the changes. I do see a bit of a need for it right now.
I applaude any mod on any forum, it is a thankless job that is not to be taken on by everyone.
I understand what you say about community vs. company and maybe I just looked at it in a different light. It's probablly my background in management that has me do this.
The 11 people in charge would have all of my support i booting out a bad apple or two. Or putting the privledges in check if that were an option. Again, modding is not easy and I would not go back to doing it for the most part.
Best of luck with the changes. I do see a bit of a need for it right now.
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gsxrstein
Guest
SBR is just so much cooler than barf, check out this link you will see what I mean.
http://www.psyclops.com/translator/...uthbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4389
http://www.psyclops.com/translator/...uthbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4389
*disclaimer* this is just my opinion JackTheTripper said:
No, I don't actually mean to flame me, but that is the exact point that I was trying to make. I do see that every post has it' supporters and its haters. It also seems that a community this large takes 3 different angles. Haters, who you hear from. Supporters, that you hear from. The neutrals, which is your biggerst selection of people who read the posts and are hopefully not scared off by the other two groups.
I do not know what you can do with a community so large to appease everyone and set the ship right.
I will support whatever is done, and I know it will not be easy. I really do want to see BARF survive and thrive within the MC community of the bay area.
Now that this topic is so far hijacked.
Both communities have something to offer everyone. Enjoy both of them for what they are worth.
JackTheTripper
Shotline For Mod
That's the point the mods are trying to make. If we try to control the flaming we get hit with the sencership issue. If we let things go then we're not running a tight board. if anyone has any suggestion please let us know.
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Frank said:SBR is just so much cooler than barf, check out this link you will see what I mean.
http://www.psyclops.com/translator/...uthbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4389
Yeah, very cool
deaconblues
Roads Scholar
"Censorship" is such a bad word.
As if one's 'right to free speech' extends to a privately run forum such as this... guess what? it extends as far as TSC is willing to allow it. And he would NOT be in violation of anyone's constitutional rights if he were to go around deleting posts with naughty words in them, OR editing them for language/content/time alloted reasons.
And neither would Andy (see, I had to bring SBR into here somehow!)
Now, as for the flaming .. uhm... well, one man's flame is another man's righteous indignation, nu?
So take a step back, chill out, etc... run the spellcheck on your post before you submit it... or go ahead and spew forth.
Either way, the mojo system will squish the lousy ones and elevate the others. One could TRY to set up alliamces to mojo each other's posts... but to me that seems pretty counter-productive... after all, you waste mojo on keeping your pals visible even though there's nothing really worth READING in it... and then you find something that you like, and no way to call attention to it.
As for the comment that 'those banned from BARF took refuge on SBR'.... how do you know folks weren't on SBR first (or primarily) and just faded from BARF? Personally, I shuttle between the two, depending on mood. My mood. Not the mood of the board(s) in general.
As if one's 'right to free speech' extends to a privately run forum such as this... guess what? it extends as far as TSC is willing to allow it. And he would NOT be in violation of anyone's constitutional rights if he were to go around deleting posts with naughty words in them, OR editing them for language/content/time alloted reasons.
And neither would Andy (see, I had to bring SBR into here somehow!)
Now, as for the flaming .. uhm... well, one man's flame is another man's righteous indignation, nu?
So take a step back, chill out, etc... run the spellcheck on your post before you submit it... or go ahead and spew forth.
Either way, the mojo system will squish the lousy ones and elevate the others. One could TRY to set up alliamces to mojo each other's posts... but to me that seems pretty counter-productive... after all, you waste mojo on keeping your pals visible even though there's nothing really worth READING in it... and then you find something that you like, and no way to call attention to it.
As for the comment that 'those banned from BARF took refuge on SBR'.... how do you know folks weren't on SBR first (or primarily) and just faded from BARF? Personally, I shuttle between the two, depending on mood. My mood. Not the mood of the board(s) in general.