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Slow riding practice tips?

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A puzzle that's intrigued me since I started riding almost 3 years ago is why there is so little parking lot practice and why discussion of the topic is discouraged in rider forums. My interest is practical. Sharing practice tips with others might help make the activity more productive. If the topic is tolerated it should be possible, eventually, to get at least a small following for the activity and for a discussion. May be it would grow from there.

You seem to keep ignoring that riders practice in parking lots. This disagreement is that you think that it requires 5-10 years to gain a mastery of skills used below 5mph before riding on the street. More skilled riders on every forum that you visit disagree with you. Why do you think that is?

SO I've been reading your opinions since you joined BARF, and I have recently gone to the other forums that you frequent and read essentially the same opinions there as well. Why do you think that most motorcyclists and readers on all of these forums disagree with your opinions? Why is it that riders with more training, more miles, more moving time, are essentially all telling you the same thing?

You quote this in your signature: "4. Members have the right to interact in a respectful environment." , yet you fail to give the same respect that you desire. One way conversations are very disrespectful. You want your questions answered but you fail to answer many of the questions asked of you. The answers to many of these questions would lead you toward the path of enlightenment. They would inspire you to learn and gain more skill. Why do you dig in your heels and ignore riders with more knowledge?
 
You seem to keep ignoring that riders practice in parking lots. This disagreement is that you think that it requires 5-10 years to gain a mastery of skills used below 5mph before riding on the street. More skilled riders on every forum that you visit disagree with you. Why do you think that is?
This question is answered. "A puzzle that's intrigued me since I started riding almost 3 years ago is why there is so little parking lot practice and why discussion of the topic is discouraged in rider forums. My interest is practical. Sharing practice tips with others might help make the activity more productive. If the topic is tolerated it should be possible, eventually, to get at least a small following for the activity and for a discussion. May be it would grow from there."
You quote this in your signature: "4. Members have the right to interact in a respectful environment." , yet you fail to give the same respect that you desire. One way conversations are very disrespectful. You want your questions answered but you fail to answer many of the questions asked of you. Most of these questions would lead you toward the path of enlightenment. They would inspire you to learn and gain more skill. Why do you dig in your heels and ignore riders with more knowledge?
What particular question of mine in this thread are you referring to? I asked for a slow ride practice tip in the beginning and got a great response. Since then the discussion seems to be about the merits and relevence of slow drills and exercieses.

It seesm to be you and others asking all the questions, not me.
 
I've asked you more than once. Why do you think that riders with more skill and more riding time, more miles, and more experience disagree with you regarding the many of your observations regarding the relevance of slow speed skills to higher speed skills?

It seesm to be you and others asking all the questions, not me.

Well it looks like we agree on something. You refuse to answer the questions that would cause you to admit that you are wrong. Why?
 
I've asked you more than once. Why do you think that riders with more skill and more riding time, more miles, and more experience disagree with you regarding the many of your observations regarding the relevance of slow speed skills to higher speed skills?
Regardless of skill or experience it seems riders who have a regular parking lot practice routine seem to be okay with what I'm doing. The objections seem to come from people who don't do much of it.
 
Regardless of skill or experience it seems riders who have a regular parking lot practice routine seem to be okay with what I'm doing. The objections seem to come from people who don't do much of it.

Once again you did not answer the question. DO you have a reading disability?

Why do you think that riders with more skill, more riding time, more moving time, more time in a parking lot, more miles, and more experience, disagree with you regarding many of your observations regarding the relevance of slow speed skills to higher speed skills?
 
Once again you did not answer the question. DO you have a reading disability?

Why do you think that riders with more skill, more riding time, more moving time, more time in a parking lot, more miles, and more experience, disagree with you regarding many of your observations regarding the relevance of slow speed skills to higher speed skills?
You are all entitled to your opinions. Reasons haven't been given as far as I can see so I wouldn't know what those are.
 
You are all entitled to your opinions. Reasons haven't been given as far as I can see so I wouldn't know what those are.

Once again you did not answer the question. DO you have a reading disability?
Why do you think that riders with more skill, more riding time, more moving time, more time in a parking lot, more miles, and more experience, disagree with you regarding many of your observations regarding the relevance of slow speed skills to higher speed skills?
 
Wow, He should run for president. He avoids questions better than any politician I have seen in decades. I think the answer is, he does not want to answer. like you stated he avoids all questions that disagree with his way of thinking. He is never going to change he refuses to get real coaching from an instructor. I even saw that someone offered to pay for it. I looked up the nearest MSF course to him. Even got the driving direction to it.

I have been off a motorcycle for 4 years recently purchased a new bike and I realize how much I forgot in that time period. I made some mistakes the other day while I was on a ride around berryessa. I learned real quick from my mistakes and slowed down. I am not the same rider I was 4 years ago. I also did way to many miles in one day for someone that has had no real seat time in an extended period of time. (256 in one day) twds the end of the day I was fatigued and really not thinking correctly. Was still a great day and had a lot fun but I learned a lot from that experience I am currently seeking more coaching and am willing to pay for it. I want to hone all my skills not just a few that I feel that are important. This is why you have so many people disagreeing with you beginner you only want to hone the parts of motoring that you feel are important. This will only hurt you in the long run.

The best thing I learned in the marines is never question those who know more than you, listen to all the instructions and follow them closely. That little bit of advice has helped me in everything I do. People would be more willing to help you if you listened and followed directions , there are a lot of people on this forum who know more than you. I am not one of those. I don't know any of the people responding to you or what they do for a living. I bet i could go back through this forum and pick out just from the posts who are instructors and so on.

I think I saw in one of your posts that you would pay for instruction if they had something like that out there.

What do you practice in the parking lot?Did they recommend any exercises to work on after the class? Did they show you any unfamiliar or interesting exercises? If something like that was available nearby for that price I'd probably give it a shot. I'd want to bring my own my own bike .

Look at the MSF you need it. There is a basic rider course 2 that you can use your own bike.
 
Once again you ignore questions that do not support your opinion.
 
Regardless of skill or experience it seems riders who have a regular parking lot practice routine seem to be okay with what I'm doing. The objections seem to come from people who don't do much of it.

Not so. I, for one, have a fairly regular slow-speed practice routine, and take the civilian course taught by motor cops periodically, as I did on Saturday.
Partially as a result of that experience, I strongly object to your opinion that slow speed practice, particularly balance and figure 8 practice, is adequate preparation for higher-speed riding.

As for specific exercises, it looks from the links you've posted that you are familiar with many of the common motor cop exercises--regular and offset cone weaves, lane-to-lane U-turns, the W-shaped Eliminator pattern, and so forth. The maximum-effort braking practice, done at speeds starting at 15 mph and working up to 25-30 mph, is useful (though the instructors added that braking practice at higher speeds than we could attain in the lot were even more useful for integrating proper muscle memory for braking into the rider).

One of the exercises that you might wish to try, that I believe has some bearing on riding on, you know, actual roads, is the brake-and-swerve exercise. Object avoidance is useful, after all. The instructor places two cones 10 feet apart and 10 feet in front of himself, and stands well downrange (a couple hundred feet) of the rider. At the instructor's signal, the rider heads straight at the instructor. As the rider draws near to the instructor, he signals either a stop, or a right or left swerve. This way it's a surprise for the rider, who must react quickly, and separate the action of braking from the action of swerving in the space between the cones and the instructor. Cone distance is decreased and speeds are increased as the rider develops skill.

Note that none of this does a damn thing to help with judgment, and is thus an incomplete part of the picture that makes up good riding.
 
The trolling will never end...
 

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You are all entitled to your opinions. Reasons haven't been given as far as I can see so I wouldn't know what those are.

By vote of the moderators, beginner has been suspended for trolling, a violation of TOS 4.1.

There has been much discussion among the mods over the past several days regarding this thread. Beginner, like any other poster has a right to his point of view, and that point of view can be shared on BARF. Where sharing that point of view crossed the line into trolling was when despite many, many opportunities to engage constructively with other posters regarding their feedback about his PLP, beginner consistently disregarded any post that he could not construe as in agreement with him. At this point we were left to conclude that beginner was simply posting for the purpose of creating argument, AKA trolling.

There is little more to be added to this thread, so it's being locked.
 
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