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So the new duke 690 is rad, but since American motorcycle culture is
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Start listening at about :55. You'll hear it within 5 seconds
I would love to hear an engineering explanation for that (other than the psychological explanation of confirmation bias). Unless the canister was already saturated with fuel, it's not obvious to me why taking it off would make a bike run better.
As pointed out above, the Euro 4 emissions standards appear to be at least as strict as CARB/EPA. Assuming the bike he rode was actually Euro 4 compliant, there is no reason that's obvious to me why the bike would run worse when it gets here.
*edit* And just so I don't get accused of being a fanboi, I have absolutely no use for KTMUSA.
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I feel your pain, Karbon. It was that way, is that way, and I guess it'll continue to be that way. The US market demands displacement. So, the European and Japanese manufactures give us that.
I remember when Yamaha's Tenere came out. 1200. Ok, but they also made a 660 that was 121 pounds lighter. We never saw it. Never will, unless you could find a guy who imported one; and you're lucky enough to be standing right there when he decides to part with it.
I remember when Yamaha's Tenere came out. 1200. Ok, but they also made a 660 that was 121 pounds lighter. We never saw it. Never will, unless you could find a guy who imported one; and you're lucky enough to be standing right there when he decides to part with it.
did a KTM touch you on the no-no part of your body ?
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stan23
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The current 690 motors are bullet proof. Maybe an oil change every 2 k or so. There is no set time for piston replacement, unlike an MX thumper.
The 690 Duke is an excellent commuter bike. The stock suspenders are actually very well valved. I put rearsets on mine and took it out to the track a few times. Worked well.
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Looking for a new, lightweight precision tool to carve technical mountain roads (typically well-paved, sometimes not) -- also want it to comfortably reach 120 mph when called upon. Stability/Agility in high-speed corners would be great too.
Duke 690 with aftermarket suspension, or Husky 701? Which would you choose and why.
Duke 690 with aftermarket suspension, or Husky 701? Which would you choose and why.
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I was a bit wary of buying a KTM, but my Duke IV has been ridiculous. I use it exclusively on track these days, and I haven't had a single issue with it.
OK.
Actually that is one of the reasons if someone mistakenly overfills extra fuel ends up in canister and it runs shittier. Besides that, it makes it run slightly leaner. I haven't seen any engineering explanation either. So might be just hearsay.
Fair enough. Although reviews of bikes are usually good. Then when owners get it the fueling issues magically appear. So either reviewers don't mention it, or factory is playing tricks with the bikes.
Wasn't planning on it.
I don't think duke 690 and 701 are in same category. The 690 is an upright bike with slightly more suspension travel. The 701 is supermoto on steroids.
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actually, the 701 offers
trying to understand the differences in performance per my original scenario.
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Motorcyclist magazine liked the new 690 and indicated the virtually non adjustable suspension was quite good out of the box.
I like the fact that the rear ABS can be turned off while maintaining ABS on the front as well as the ability to turn it all off (and the TC) if you choose.
"With changes to a quarter of the bike’s components, this new machine has more power, fewer pounds, and less of what was the previous model’s biggest flaw: vibration. All this adds up to a bike that’s fun around town and more than up to a sprint through the twisties."
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/f...1&spJobID=700842127&spReportId=NzAwODQyMTI3S0
EDIT: US not getting the "R" as the OP pointed out. In the UK it's a 17% premium so would be around $10,500ish here compared to the $8,999 stock model. So basically a bargain...but, sadly, n/a.
I like the fact that the rear ABS can be turned off while maintaining ABS on the front as well as the ability to turn it all off (and the TC) if you choose.
"With changes to a quarter of the bike’s components, this new machine has more power, fewer pounds, and less of what was the previous model’s biggest flaw: vibration. All this adds up to a bike that’s fun around town and more than up to a sprint through the twisties."
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/f...1&spJobID=700842127&spReportId=NzAwODQyMTI3S0
EDIT: US not getting the "R" as the OP pointed out. In the UK it's a 17% premium so would be around $10,500ish here compared to the $8,999 stock model. So basically a bargain...but, sadly, n/a.
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stan23
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Not the same bike at all. I had both the 690 SMC and a 690 Duke at the same time.
The geometry on the Duke is street bike based, and the 701 is more off-road oriented. The riding position is very different too. You sit much closer to the bars on the 701.
Neither bike will be good at 120 mph.
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got it, thanks. how far superior would you say the SMC is over the Duke on tight, technical mountain roads?
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I wish they had retained the dual, stacked, projector headlights of the 2008 model.
My g/f had one in b&w and it got more attention at gas stations than any other bike we've ever owned. So much more interesting than the current headlight.
My g/f had one in b&w and it got more attention at gas stations than any other bike we've ever owned. So much more interesting than the current headlight.
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FFS, of course we don't get the cheap bike with cornering ABS. Super mad.
I've owned 2 SMCs and done significant miles on 690 Dukes of all variations across the years, and honestly, they're basically identical. It's about what you want as a rider - if you want longer travel suspension and that dirtbike feel, you're going to be happier on the SMC, if you want something that's a little more traditional, standard motorcycle, you're going to want the Duke.
Both of them are more than fast enough to comfortable run up to and past the limits of sanity on the street. I'd probably be mildly preferential to the Duke for general use, and preferential to the SMC if you wanna do wheelies, or if you go for real hooligan shit, like hitting a rise on a fireroad at 65mph, lifting you 5 feet off the ground for 30 feet. Duke wouldn't be happy with that.
Basically, if I say "abandoned military base" and you think "sweet photo op at the end of a twisty ride", you want the Duke, and if you say "I wonder how many loading ramps there are to jump off", you want the 690 SMC. In the use case you describe, the bikes are basically the same.
That model was peak KTM Angle stylin', it's sure. I'd love to one day hack up an old model to fit the shit to a new model.
I've owned 2 SMCs and done significant miles on 690 Dukes of all variations across the years, and honestly, they're basically identical. It's about what you want as a rider - if you want longer travel suspension and that dirtbike feel, you're going to be happier on the SMC, if you want something that's a little more traditional, standard motorcycle, you're going to want the Duke.
Both of them are more than fast enough to comfortable run up to and past the limits of sanity on the street. I'd probably be mildly preferential to the Duke for general use, and preferential to the SMC if you wanna do wheelies, or if you go for real hooligan shit, like hitting a rise on a fireroad at 65mph, lifting you 5 feet off the ground for 30 feet. Duke wouldn't be happy with that.
Basically, if I say "abandoned military base" and you think "sweet photo op at the end of a twisty ride", you want the Duke, and if you say "I wonder how many loading ramps there are to jump off", you want the 690 SMC. In the use case you describe, the bikes are basically the same.
That model was peak KTM Angle stylin', it's sure. I'd love to one day hack up an old model to fit the shit to a new model.
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It doesn't shake like a paint mixer??? My knees just went weak. Man, the "R" has some nice stuff!