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Somali pirate update...

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This is going to be interesting... last time I remember, the Chinese have no problem using force :teeth



China targets pirates in groundbreaking mission

By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer William Foreman, Associated Press Writer – 38 mins ago
In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, a Chinese naval fleet AP – In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, a Chinese naval fleet including two destroyers …

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GUANGZHOU, China – Chinese warships headed toward Somali waters Friday to combat piracy, the first time the communist country has sent ships on a mission that could involve fighting so far beyond its territorial waters.

The deployment to the Gulf of Aden, which has been plagued by increasingly bold pirate attacks in recent months, marks a major step in the navy's evolution from mostly guarding China's coasts to patrolling waters far from home.

The move was welcomed by the U.S. military, which has been escorting cargo ships in the region along with India, Russia and the European Union. But analysts predicted the Chinese intervention could be troubling to some Asian nations who might see it as a sign of the Chinese military becoming more aggressive.

The naval force that set sail from southern Hainan on Friday afternoon included a supply ship and two destroyers — armed with guided missiles, special forces and two helicopters. China announced it was joining the anti-piracy mission Tuesday after the U.N. Security Council authorized nations to conduct land and air attacks on pirate bases.

Pentagon spokesman Maj. Stewart Upton said the U.S. welcomed China's move.

Pirates working out of Somalia have made an estimated $30 million this year, seizing more than 40 vessels off the country's 1,880-mile (3,000-kilometer) coastline. Most of the attacks have occurred in the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

Deploying ships to the area helped stoke national pride among Chinese who feel their increasingly wealthy nation should be playing a bigger role in world affairs.

The front-page of the Southern Metropolis Daily — one of southern China's most popular newspapers — had a photo Friday of a special forces member posing with his finger on the trigger of an assault rifle armed with a grenade launcher. A headline read, "They won't rule out a direct conflict with pirates."

For several decades, China has kept a massive army focused on protecting its land borders, while the country's navy was relatively weak. But in recent years, as China became more deeply involved in the global economy, it concluded that a stronger navy was needed to protect its increasingly vital sea shipments of oil, raw materials and other goods.

China has been rapidly beefing up its navy with new destroyers, submarines and missiles. Naval officers have even been talking about building an aircraft carrier that could help the navy become a "blue-water" force — a fleet capable of operating far from home.

Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the East-West Center in Hawaii, said the naval buildup and the mission to Somalia are the latest signs that China is no longer willing to rely on the U.S. or other foreign navies to protect its increasingly global interests.

"China has not been dissuaded from entering the field," Roy said. "That leaves open the possibility of a China-U.S. naval rivalry in the future."

Roy predicted China's move would alarm Japan and some in South Korea because both countries have long-standing territorial disputes with China. But he said most Southeast Asian countries may see China's involvement in the anti-piracy campaign as a positive thing. It would mean that China was using its greater military might for constructive purposes, rather than challenging the current international order.

India, another longtime rival of China, would likely welcome the Chinese naval presence off Somalia for the short term, said C. Uday Bhaskar, a former naval commander and retired director of India's Institute of Defense Studies and Analyses. He doubted it would upset the strategic balance.

"If it is working for the common good, then I think India will welcome it," he said.

China's military has not said how long the mission would last, but the state-run China Daily newspaper recently reported the ships would be gone for about three months. The paper said about 20 percent of the 1,265 Chinese ships passing through the Somali area have come under attack this year.

The mission will likely offer Chinese sailors invaluable on-the-job training, according to Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based intelligence company. The mission will be complex, with crews having to do refueling, resupply and repairs far from home amid the constant threat of pirate attacks.

The waters will also be crowded with naval ships from around the world, testing the Chinese ships' abilities to communicate effectively with other vessels in a common mission that has little central organization.

The Chinese will very likely monitor the way foreign forces, "especially U.S. warships, communicate with each other and with their shipborne helicopters," the Stratfor report said.

A NATO task force to the Gulf of Aden was recently replaced by a European Union flotilla with four to six ships patrolling the area.

About a dozen other warships, including U.S., German, and Danish ships, are in the region as part of a separate international flotilla based in Bahrain and engaged in anti-terrorism operations. Several individual nations, including Saudi Arabia, Russia, Malaysia and India, also have vessels in the Gulf of Aden.

The China Daily on Friday quoted Rear Adm. Du Jingchen, the mission's chief commander, as saying a total of 1,000 crew members will be on the three Chinese ships.

"We could encounter unforeseen situations," Du was quoted as saying. "But we are prepared for them."

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Related news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28385695/

CAIRO, Egypt —A German military helicopter chased away pirates who were trying to board an Egyptian ship Thursday off the coast of Somalia. One of the ship's crew was shot in the attack.

The bulk carrier with 31 crew was passing through the Gulf of Aden on its way to Asia when gun-toting pirates in a speedboat began pursuing it, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center.

A passing ship alerted the Kuala Lumpur-based bureau, which asked a multinational naval coalition force in the area to help, said Choong....
 
This is far, FAR more interesting regarding the Chinese than it is regarding the piracy situation. This means that China is attempting to form a global reach. Disturbing, to say the least. Can't say I'm surprised, though.
 
This is far, FAR more interesting regarding the Chinese than it is regarding the piracy situation. This means that China is attempting to form a global reach. Disturbing, to say the least. Can't say I'm surprised, though.

Maybe they are just trying to help out and protect some of their own interests? It would be nice to see some international intervention.

Canada is even sending warships to the area to help and that says a lot!
 

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This is far, FAR more interesting regarding the Chinese than it is regarding the piracy situation. This means that China is attempting to form a global reach. Disturbing, to say the least. Can't say I'm surprised, though.

Maybe they are just trying to help out and protect some of their own interests? It would be nice to see some international intervention.

I agree with Dr. Evil on this one. This will be the first time China has projected her Naval power outside of her own territorial waters. China has never been able to protect it's own sea lanes or interests on the high seas. This will seriously challenge the US Navy's authority at sea, and could jeopardize our Naval superiority. Once this power shifts, you can kiss the USA good bye as China will be able to soon control the seas, which means trade, and our economy.

To me, what makes this scary is that for many many years, people have been talking about the threat China could become if it grew it's Naval Forces. They started doing it when we started arming Taiwan. While our Navy has been shrinking, theirs has been growing. Seeing them project it like this has some pretty serious long term ramifications. :|
 
Canada is even sending warships to the area to help and that says a lot!

well someone's gotta supply the white flag when the pirates surrender so it might as well be canada to come through...:teeth

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Read the article again.

I did. Did you?
The pirates fled as the chopper reached the vessel, according to a statement from the German military, but not before shooting and injuring one the ship's crew.

Not a speedboat's crew, ship's crew. Pirates shoot a guy on the ship.:rolleyes
 
Maybe they are just trying to help out and protect some of their own interests? It would be nice to see some international intervention.

Nobody wants to believe in real altruism more than I, but can't believe that any country that would attempt to so broadly regulate the information that its people receive would be doing something like this out of naked charity. To my knowledge, China has never before projected its military power this far in this way. It has done things with its intelligence arms in various places like Africa for the purposes of securing nuclear fuels, but nothing this overt. While there may very well be some charitable and commercial protectionist purpose behind this, as much as anything it's China testing itself and developing a capability, and doing it in front of the whole world, no less.
 
According to the article the pirates took $30 million this year. I'd like to see the bill for all of this military buildup. I'd say it was a lot more than $30 million. I guess it gives countries a little target practice and a place to pump their chest. China wants to grow some stones now and they get a chance to fire some weapons........When is the world going to just let insurance companies hire private contractors to clean up their mess?
 
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According to the article the pirates took $30 million this year. I'd like to see the bill for all of this military buildup. I'd say it was a lot more than $30 million. I guess it gives countries a little target practice and a place to pump their chest. China wants to grow some stones now and they get a chance to fire some weapons........When is the world going to just let insurance companies hire private contractors to clean up their mess?

War should be left to governments. When war becomes profitable to someone, they will have no reason to cease it.

And yeah, it's great training for your military, tbh. Which is why we should go in and squash it before the Chinese learn too much.
 
I, for one, am not looking forward to hearing talking heads on CNN going on about Chinese warships harassing Alaskan fishing boats. But I'll lay money we will in the next 10-15 years.
 
I agree with Dr. Evil on this one. This will be the first time China has projected her Naval power outside of her own territorial waters. China has never been able to protect it's own sea lanes or interests on the high seas. This will seriously challenge the US Navy's authority at sea, and could jeopardize our Naval superiority. Once this power shifts, you can kiss the USA good bye as China will be able to soon control the seas, which means trade, and our economy.

To me, what makes this scary is that for many many years, people have been talking about the threat China could become if it grew it's Naval Forces. They started doing it when we started arming Taiwan. While our Navy has been shrinking, theirs has been growing. Seeing them project it like this has some pretty serious long term ramifications. :|

Until they accumulate several carrier strike groups with comparable capabilities to ours, I don't think I would worry overmuch. As much as China is a rising economic powerhouse, they still have a lot of catching up to do.
 
To truly project naval power and compete with the United States, China will have to put together comparable carrier groups. However, perhaps China is looking at the pirates as a perfect opportunity for "live" training. Who is going to complain about someone blowing up pirates?

edited to add: looks like Silence beat me to the punch.
 
Two destroyers and a supply ship, that's a lot. Stupid China for wanting to protect it's economic interests.
 
Until they accumulate several carrier strike groups with comparable capabilities to ours, I don't think I would worry overmuch. As much as China is a rising economic powerhouse, they still have a lot of catching up to do.

I'm sure there are some former USSR carriers that are for lease/sale to China. :|

They may even get a good deal- buy a carrier and get two subs w/ indoor hot tubs if you pay for shipping and handling in the next 30 minutes.
 

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The German Marine does a good job of arresting these dudes, and then the German government orders the prisoners be released because they did not harm any Germans :rolleyes Typical...
 
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