Ticketed $275 for parking in crosshatch @ DP :(

[Bronto]

The VA (Veterans adminstration) likes to equipt full size Vans with lifts. These lifts extend nearly five feet off to the side. Additional two half feet further is required to exit the ramp. Alltogether several feet is required for these lift vans.
Sorry you didn't know reason for these large parking spots.
Any chance they may waive the fine. If you appolize and do minor community service at a Veterans hosipital.

 

[saizai]

Are you sure it's a 4? How clear is the writing? In might be a VC since you have to put the code that the violation section came from. And even a minor error on the code is no a reason for dismissal and can be amended.

Absolutely 100% clear that it says 22507.8C(4)CVC. It's a printed ticket - the sort printed on a what's probably a heat printer on really thin paper, barcode at the top. Under "remarks" it says "100%", whatever that means.

Per leginfo.ca.gov, (4) doesn't exist.

There is no requirement to have it painted “No parking”, as long as the minimal signage and markings are there for a handicap spot, you can’t park in it or the crosshatching next to it. Don’t do it anymore if you can't afford the fines (but preferably to leave the space available for those the truly need it).

Yeah. Lesson learned.

 

[RolnCode3]

I've actually seen a guy with a handicapped trike get the crosshatch ticket. I didn't write it, but after he swore up a storm at the officer who did, I kinda grinned inwardly.

I just shrugged and said "I dunno".

 

[strnge]

Now as far as I knew there must be 2 things present.

The blue painted curb infront of the parking space or handycapped sign in general area, easily seen when sitting in car.

AND

The handycapped person painted on the ground inside the back of the parking space(so it can been seen from behind,when a vehile is parked in the space)

THIS IS ONLY POSTED TO IDENTIFY A HANDYCAPPED PARKING SPACE.......IN YOUR CASE YOUR SCREWED BECAUSE YOUR ISSUE IS THE CROSSHATCH PARKING. Was your car half way int the handycapped parking space? I usually cite for both when that happens.

22511.8. (a) Any local authority, by ordinance or resolution, and
any person in lawful possession of an offstreet parking facility may
designate stalls or spaces in an offstreet parking facility owned or
operated by the local authority or person for the exclusive use of
any vehicle which displays either a special license plate issued
pursuant to Section 5007 or a distinguishing placard issued pursuant
to Section 22511.55 or 22511.59. The designation shall be made by
posting a sign as described in paragraph (1), and by either of the
markings described in paragraph (2) or (3):
(1) By posting immediately adjacent to, and visible from, each
stall or space, a sign consisting of a profile view of a wheelchair
with occupant in white on a blue background.
(2) By outlining or painting the stall or space in blue and
outlining on the ground in the stall or space in white or suitable
contrasting color a profile view depicting a wheelchair with
occupant.
(3) By outlining a profile view of a wheelchair with occupant in
white on a blue background, of the same dimensions as in paragraph
(2). The profile view shall be located so that it is visible to a
traffic enforcement officer when a vehicle is properly parked in the
space.

 

[Trogdor]

Now as far as I knew there must be 2 things present.

The blue painted curb infront of the parking space or handycapped sign in general area, easily seen when sitting in car.

The section that you quoted shows that the blue curb is unnecessary. To comply they must satisfy 1) and either 2) or 3). 1) is the sign and 3) is the contrasting blue/white symbol painted on the ground.

 

[saizai]

Was your car half way int the handycapped parking space? I usually cite for both when that happens.

My motorcycle was not at all in the HC space. I wouldn't do that.

The HC space had blue curb, HC signpost, but IIRC no HC-related ground painting.

 

[JPM]

Pics please!

 

[saizai]

Sorry, /me no have camera.

Royal Ground Coffee House, 2409 SHATTUCK AVE (@ Durant), BERKELEY, CA. Right outside the doors.

... in case you happen to know it.

 

[NVR FNSH]

That was your bike

I keed, I keed.


Brian

 

[Trogdor]

I've actually seen a guy with a handicapped trike get the crosshatch ticket. I didn't write it, but after he swore up a storm at the officer who did, I kinda grinned inwardly.

The section for the crosshatch is pretty specifc. It says nobody shall park in the cross hatch area next to a marked disabled spot, even if that vehicle displays a disabled packard.

 

[strnge]

The section that you quoted shows that the blue curb is unnecessary. To comply they must satisfy 1) and either 2) or 3). 1) is the sign and 3) is the contrasting blue/white symbol painted on the ground.

Your right..no blue curb required. I usually make sure it has the blue curb too when I cite, just to make the ticket stick.

 

[saizai]

I have dismissed the above citation on the basis of incorrectly cited CVC section and will be sending you a decision to that effect by regular mail. You do not need to send me any additional evidence.

Sincerely,
Ann Miley
Hearing Examiner

Yay.

Lesson:
#1 Look up that cite on leginfo.ca.gov. It might not even exist any more!

My ticket was for "22507.8C(4)CVC"; there exist 22507.8(C)1-3, but no 4. What they probably *meant* was (C)3 - parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space, which I did indeed do (though I was right up parallel to the curb on my ninja, not blocking access for van lifts). As brought up earlier, evidently those lifts need a lot more space than I had earlier believed - I still think I wasn't blocking it, but I won't do that again.


#2 Contest the citation in writing for administrative review, AND contest the (probably automatic no) review for an actual hearing.

The lady who does it (in Berkeley at least) is very nice, has "you can't fire me 'cause I'm a sort of judge" protection, and an 85% dismissal rate.


#3 The 1 hour limit on the parking meters there isn't enough. I got a $30 expired meter ticket while I was disputing my $275 DP ticket.

Good deal financially, but still, irony.

 

[Noid]

is this it?

 

[saizai]

Bingo. The parking spot that's empty in the top right is the DP spot in question. I was right up against the curb in the crosshatched area.


Where'd you find that?


Edit: doh, evidently I was cixelsid when I wrote that. It's the top LEFT.

 

[silversvs]

Saizai,

You obviously deserved the citation you were issued. You got it dismissed on a technical error, so good for you. Hopefully several folks learned something from YOUR mistake. Don't park where you are not supposed to park.

 

[saizai]

silversvs - Hey, I *did* list that as one of the lessons learned.

 

[Lester Green]

"I have dismissed the above citation on the basis of incorrectly cited CVC section and will be sending you a decision to that effect by regular mail. You do not need to send me any additional evidence.

Sincerely,
Ann Miley
Hearing Examiner"

I love the last sentence. I can only imagine what this poor hearing examiner was inundated with. I envision wall to wall boxes of evidence mounting in her office, with little law interns bringing in more and more, until she's trapped and can't even get out...

 

[deathbug74]

Don't park where you are not supposed to park.

i got a ticket for parking in the crosshatch once...catch is, it WASN'T anywhere near a disabled spot; it was excess on the end of a row.

the brown is a planter, unpainted curbs, red lines mark the parking stalls in the picture, and i was parked in the crosshatching (blue) in the V of the curb. in my case it was a regular ($20) parking ticket . same lesson though.

 

[edmo]

Congrats on your ticket.

LEO's: Would the ticket have been cheaper if our criminal here would have just parked on the sidewalk?

 

[Balistx]

disabled parking

Luck you weren't is SF or Oakland, fines are $500. The crosshatch is part of the adjacent spot and does not need to have separate markings, as long as the van accessible spot is properly marking with a ground marking and vertical sign, posted at the correct height.