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Tire Warmers??

Do you use tire warmers??

  • Yes, got to have them.

    Votes: 16 61.5%
  • No, dont need them.

    Votes: 10 38.5%

  • Total voters
    26

MR662

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When i first got interested in racing and trackdays, I heard alot of No's on tirewarmers. , I wouldnt need them. Now Im starting to get more and more,YES, you better have tire warmers if your racing.
So are tire warmers what you would consider standard racing equipment. How many of you racers use them vs. not. Thanks
Also what brands are most used,reliable, good quality etc.

Also, would these be good??
http://store.58cycle.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=tire+warm+chic+hawk+std
 
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I have the warmers in that add. I use them on occasion only to heat up the tires right before a race otherwise i barely/rarely ever use them. Not even at trackdays. I would have to say that they are not needed. Lots of very fast and seasoned racers dont use them. Additionally most of our races are held in hot weather so a good warm up lap will probably heat the tires up to the desired temp.
 
I use the first 1/2 lap as my tire warmer, it's built in, free, and works pretty good.

I have never had a tire warmer installed on my bike. Some people swear by them.
 
Don't waste your money on tire warmers...read this thread.

Heat Cycles and Tire Warmers

RoadRacing World did an article about tire warmers a few years ago and found that leaving your bike sitting in the sun gets almost as much heat into the tires as tire warmers. The difference in tire temps was only a few degrees. Thus, I never understood why some guys are using tire warmers at Thunderhill in June :confused
 
Thanks for your replies. And your right, i would never even think about tire warmers in July at the track. But for March/April cooler months I wanted to get honest feedback. And it still seems its probably a 50/50 split.
And when at trackdays,which i typically did in hot months,my tire warmer was leaving bike in the sun, while my buddies all parked theres in the shade under ez-ups.

Well, then I may tru and get by my first year without them. It will help with the expenses.
 
Mike, I think you'll find a pretty split mix of opinions on "do I" or "don't I" need tire warmers. As with anything of this type, it really comes down to whatever each person can afford, and desires doing with their own riding/racing program.

During the first 9 years of my roadracing, I did not own a generator or tire warmers. This consisted of racing year-round the first couple of years, including racing at Willow Springs in February, where the outside temperature was in the 30's in the morning. During those 9 years, I only had one "cold tire" crash, and this was a 1st lap of practice, 1st real corner, brand new tires, slippery old Turn 2 @ Sears Point "newbie" error.

By learning from that mistake, and subsequently religiously recognizing the need to perform a gradual and effective method of easing my tires up to temperature on track, with limits on applied lean angle reflective of that temperature change, no further cold tire issues surfaced.

The cold tire crash horror stories that flooded the racing community, with the intro of some notoriously "slick when cold" race-compound DOT tires from a particular manufacturer (about 6 years ago) finally pushed me into the $1,000+ expense of a generator and warmers. Since then, as that I have the equipment, I've used the warmers during racedays where I felt there has been some value in doing so.

As to your question Mike, of "do you need warmers", my opinion (FWIW) is as follows. If the outside temperature at a trackday/race weekend is in the 70's and above, there's no reason that a consistent application of intelligent first-lap track-to-tire friction warming of your tires won't do just fine.

Anytime the outside temps get down into the 50's (or below), it requires a much higher level of discipline (and "feel") to ensure that those first few corners on the warm-up laps are taken "slow enough" to not have any traction issues (aka "cold tire crash"). It's at these sub-60 degree trackdays/race events where I do feel that IF a person can afford to have a generator and tire warmers, there is an actual safety value to be reaped from their use. Can a rider avoid cold tire crashes while attending trackdays/races where the temps are in the 50's and below, despite not having tire warmers? Absolutely, as long as the rider learns safe and effective on-track tire warm-up techniques, and maintains the discipline to resist temptation of trying to go too fast - too soon.

Tire warmers, do you, or don't you? You make the call. :)
 
If you can afford them, get them! Every pro racer I know uses them, from AMA to MotoGP. They're not using them for the bling factor... it's a little "crash insurance" for that first lap (particularly on the cool days Gary mentioned) and it can also affect cold-tearing of tires.

That said, tire warmers are not absolutely necessary and there are still plenty of people not using them - the word "need" is often over-used... Even though I own tire warmers, I rarely use them at a trackday when I feel I have plenty of time to bring the tires up to temp without them - call me lazy, but I just don't feel like dealing with the generator, front stand, etc. I generally use them before going out for the race warm-up lap (especially if the tires are also brand new and I need to scuff them on that ONE lap!) and I definitely feel it gives me an advantage in the first few corners (at the very least I have more confidence in the front tire). In a sprint race, the first few corners are critical - if you're tentative, you can easily get stuck behind a few slower riders and you're likely to lose touch with the leaders, so then spending the next couple of laps getting back around the slower riders typically means the leaders are long gone and you won't have enough laps left to catch back up unless you're quite a bit faster... YMMV. I personally want every possible advantage on that first lap, which includes using tire warmers.
 
Thank you all who have taken the time to respond. You've just saved me not only a bunch of money, but also a bunch of headaches that come from worrying about where to find the additinal space in my already cramped car for transporting the generator and the stands.
 
tboons said:
Thus, I never understood why some guys are using tire warmers at Thunderhill in June :confused

I don't know about you, but I put my bike under shade.
 
Thanks Gary and Alex, and also othger for more responses. I never have used them at trackdays and feel just fine.
So If I come up with some extra money I may just get a set sooner or later for a little extra confidence going inot turn 1. Other then that I now no longer feel as they are a necessity. Thanks agaion and see you all soon.March will be here in no time.
 
eeeeek said:
I don't know about you, but I put my bike under shade.

+1

Nothing worse than sitting on a bike that has been sitting in the 115 degree thill sun!!
 
RoadRacing World did an article about tire warmers a few years ago and found that leaving your bike sitting in the sun gets almost as much heat into the tires as tire warmers. [/B]

I stand corrected. The RRW article had nothing to do with "solar tire warmers", but was about weaving as a means of getting heat into your tires. The article actually says tire warmers and sunshine combined are the best way to get heat in the tires. :blush

JnglstTICAL said:
+1

Nothing worse than sitting on a bike that has been sitting in the 115 degree thill sun!!

That's why I said in June when the temps are only 100. In July when it's 115 you're using your tire warmers to cool your tires off:laughing

Either way, I was a for shit racer and the best tire warmers in the world weren't going to make me any faster. If you think tire warmers will help you go faster on a race weekend, go for it.
 
pickawinner said:
Thank you all who have taken the time to respond. You've just saved me not only a bunch of money, but also a bunch of headaches that come from worrying about where to find the additinal space in my already cramped car for transporting the generator and the stands.

Hopefully you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance too - if not call Geico ... ok ok the commercial quote

I have tire warmers and like them on colder days but during hotter days I just put them on the tires to try and hold the heat in without putting them on . I have also seen someone once with some tire sock looking thing over the tire to hold in heat after the session . They appeared to look like neoprene ( wetsuit ) material . Not sure how well that works either - personal preference and what you can afford but like Gary said I dont think it is a must if you are patient with the first couple of laps on cold days .
 
CHAMPIONR6 said:
I have also seen someone once with some tire sock looking thing over the tire to hold in heat after the session . They appeared to look like neoprene ( wetsuit ) material .

You probably saw TyrSox warmers. Those are lower wattage by design and *need* the outer blanket in order to get the tires up to temp. I'm not sure how well they work, but a lot of people use them because they are super inexpensive (can be bought for under $200 brand new when a promotion is going on). I've heard people complain that they are a bitch to use because you have twice as much junk to take off your tires.
 
Eric in Davis said:
You probably saw TyrSox warmers. Those are lower wattage by design and *need* the outer blanket in order to get the tires up to temp. I'm not sure how well they work, but a lot of people use them because they are super inexpensive (can be bought for under $200 brand new when a promotion is going on). I've heard people complain that they are a bitch to use because you have twice as much junk to take off your tires.

Well maybe he was using the cover because I was looking at them and no wires going to them and he had no generator . Again they just looked like neoprene.
 
Respro imports a neoprene like warmer that helps keep the warmth in the tire, but has no electrical connection. I've forgotten the name, but they literally are just covers for the tires.
 
Here's a good reason to own warmers

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joe said:
Respro imports a neoprene like warmer that helps keep the warmth in the tire, but has no electrical connection. I've forgotten the name, but they literally are just covers for the tires.

Interesting...

2215276-warmers.jpg
 
How old is that notice Eric? That new?
 
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