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What happens when a nation is run by a pack of Incels?

I'll just get in before it's locked or moved- but it will go back to being like it was after Russia left and before we got there.
 
I had to look up the word - an involuntary celibate who is unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, says Wikipedia.
I’m not clear on the Taliban/Afghanistan angle?
 
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greenmonster said:
I had to look up the word - an involuntary celibate who is unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, says Wikipedia.
I’m not clear on the Taliban/Afghanistan angle?
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You think modern Afghanistan women are lining up to marry these invaders enforcing religious laws from 500 years ago?

You think these men are charming, feminist, modern men that know how to make a woman happy?

WHat do you think their views on woman independence, abortion, women's health issues, and their right to choose?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
You think modern Afghanistan women are lining up to marry these invaders enforcing religious laws from 500 years ago?

You think these men are charming, feminist, modern men that know how to make a woman happy?

WHat do you think their views on woman independence, abortion, women's health issues, and their right to choose?
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I'm sure they are being lined up to marry them not the other way around. Or like I said, if part of a traitor's family, raped.
 
greenmonster said:
I had to look up the word - an involuntary celibate who is unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, says Wikipedia.
I’m not clear on the Taliban/Afghanistan angle?
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its not

incel generally is referring to a specific kind of man, for which the tailban are not a part of
 
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Bay Arean said:
No, I think they get to rape the women of other sects and such. Not making light of it but pretty sure that was MO.
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Same mentality.

You don't think that the Incels of this country wouldn't be on board for just raping women who have rejected them if it was accepted behavior?

With Incels, it's not a matter of them being unattractive (in a physical manner), it's more a matter of them expecting women to give them what they want despite them not wanting to acknowledge that women are at least their equals nor try to act in a manner that would have any appeal to women.
 
Islam is not a good religion for women

Is it really voluntary to wear a Hijab if you've been raised to believe you need to wear it?
 
greenmonster said:
I just didn’t see the Taliban as being celibate, romantic no, sexual yes.
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My point is that they have the same mentality towards women.

I personally think that Incels in the US don't respect women enough to make an effort to make themselves desirable to women. They just expect them to be attracted to their maleness and they resent them for not just spreading their legs for them because they're a man.

I think that the Afghan men involved with the Taliban have the same perspective, the difference is that they have the power to take what they want without any consequences.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Islam is not a good religion for women

Is it really voluntary to wear a Hijab if you've been raised to believe you need to wear it?
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This shows you know nothing of Islam. All you seem to know is the bad shit some of the extremists do. There are many members of BARF that are very good people that are Muslim. Some are the best members of Barf IMO.
 
panthera said:
This shows you know nothing of Islam. All you seem to know is the bad shit some of the extremists do. There are many members of BARF that are very good people that are Muslim. Some are the best members of Barf IMO.
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I'm not sure this is fair, since we're talking Islam extremists.

I could make the same statement Christianity is not good for gay people, if the discussion is about Christian extremists.
 
scootergmc said:
I'll just get in before it's locked or moved- but it will go back to being like it was after Russia left and before we got there.
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Sort of but not really...

After Russia left, Afghanistan had a civil war with a lot of warlords and militant groups who all did pretty terrible things vying for control. By 2001, it was pretty clear that the Taliban was going to win and they controlled most (but not all) of the country.

Now it looks like the Taliban will effectively control the whole government, which they never have before. I don't think the Taliban has any experience at all in running a government. They will probably make up for their lack of experience in governing with enthusiasm for mass executions and brutal repression of anyone they don't like including all women. So, this isn't the same hell as before, it's a new, though similar and equally terrible hell.

Though, there is a fair chance that without a common goal, factions within the Taliban will start to split off and the country will go right back to a civil war between many different militant groups.


Edit: I only just saw this but apparently there are reports that remnants of the Afghan army are restructuring and have taken control of one district north of Kabul. (https://www.indiatoday.in/india-tod...-the-northern-alliance-2-0-1842560-2021-08-19)

There was, however, a voice from Afghanistan which strongly resisted. On August 17, Afghanistan’s first Vice-President Amrullah Saleh put out a tweet that symbolised his dismay over at the feckless US withdrawal and his resolve to carry on the fight against the Taliban.

‘It is futile to argue with @POTUS on Afg now. Let him digest it. We d the Afghans must prove that Afghanistan isn’t Vietnam and the Talibs aren’t even remotely like Vietcong. Unlike US/NATO we haven’t lost spirit and see enormous opportunities ahead. Useless caveats are finished. JOIN THE RESISTANCE.’
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So... We might indeed go back to Civil war.
 
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panthera said:
This shows you know nothing of Islam. All you seem to know is the bad shit some of the extremists do. There are many members of BARF that are very good people that are Muslim. Some are the best members of Barf IMO.
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I know a lot about Islam
I have Islamic friends
I never said Muslims can't be good people

Don't start Strawmanning me. I have the same complaints about all religions that marginalize women.
 
ScarySpikes said:
Sort of but not really...

After Russia left, Afghanistan had a civil war with a lot of warlords and militant groups who all did pretty terrible things vying for control. By 2001, it was pretty clear that the Taliban was going to win and they controlled most (but not all) of the country.

Now it looks like the Taliban will effectively control the whole government, which they never have before. I don't think the Taliban has any experience at all in running a government. They will probably make up for their lack of experience in governing with enthusiasm for mass executions and brutal repression of anyone they don't like including all women. So, this isn't the same hell as before, it's a new, though similar and equally terrible hell.

Though, there is a fair chance that without a common goal, factions within the Taliban will start to split off and the country will go right back to a civil war between many different militant groups.
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:thumbup

speaking of civil war:

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.
WaPo.com, 08/18/2021

tl/dr/paywall:
No matter what happens, my mujahideen fighters and I will defend Panjshir as the last bastion of Afghan freedom.

Our morale is intact.

We know from experience what awaits us.

But we need more weapons, more ammunition and more supplies.

America and its democratic allies do not just have the fight against terrorism in common with Afghans. We now have a long history made up of shared ideals and struggles. There is still much that you can do to aid the cause of freedom.

You are our only remaining hope.
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scootergmc said:
I'll just get in before it's locked or moved- but it will go back to being like it was after Russia left and before we got there.
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If folks can leave American politics out of it it can remain an interesting and informative thread.
 
ScarySpikes said:
Sort of but not really...

After Russia left, Afghanistan had a civil war with a lot of warlords and militant groups who all did pretty terrible things vying for control. By 2001, it was pretty clear that the Taliban was going to win and they controlled most (but not all) of the country.

Now it looks like the Taliban will effectively control the whole government, which they never have before. I don't think the Taliban has any experience at all in running a government. They will probably make up for their lack of experience in governing with enthusiasm for mass executions and brutal repression of anyone they don't like including all women. So, this isn't the same hell as before, it's a new, though similar and equally terrible hell.

Though, there is a fair chance that without a common goal, factions within the Taliban will start to split off and the country will go right back to a civil war between many different militant groups.


Edit: I only just saw this but apparently there are reports that remnants of the Afghan army are restructuring and have taken control of one district north of Kabul. (https://www.indiatoday.in/india-tod...-the-northern-alliance-2-0-1842560-2021-08-19)

So... We might indeed go back to Civil war.
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It will all go back to tribal infighting no matter who claims to be in charge. There will be no rest.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
You think modern Afghanistan women are lining up to marry these invaders enforcing religious laws from 500 years ago?

You think these men are charming, feminist, modern men that know how to make a woman happy?

WHat do you think their views on woman independence, abortion, women's health issues, and their right to choose?
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The Taliban are not invaders, though. They're part of the Pashtun ethnic majority. They are most definitely awful, and non-adherents of Sharia law are going to suffer mightily.
 
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