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What privacy concerns with Apple's Vision Pro?

HappyHighwayman said:
California:



Once again what laws are being broken?

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As for court house conversations, that's easy:

Videotaping, photography and electronic recording devices must be turned off while they are transported within any courthouse or court facility.

etc etc
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That is pretty interesting.... 'The law also does not apply to the police and some private citizens when recording a conversation to gather evidence of an offense.'

That seems pretty ambiguous and open ended, not at all what I've been led to believe over the years.
 
Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist. You said California laws, you can't point to one. You switch gears to "other states", but don't specify any other states laws. Some laws are ambiguous yes.

Also there is attorney client privileged so zero recordings between someone and their lawyer would be applicable regardless of how it was recorded.

Tell me what laws you feel are being broken by someone recording in public, without shifting gears.
 
Climber said:
You're assuming a lot, and clearly didn't read what I wrote and you certainly don't know me.

So, you ventured a guess as to my state of mind without having anything to go on. Then you ran with it. :thumbdown

Dennis just doesn't like it when people act like pricks.
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I didn't assume anything. I said "You seem outraged" which is not an assumption. It is an observation that you seem to be outraged by your outrage of the week. And no, I don't know you anymore than you know me. However, I can based my impressions on past history. And considering you post a new thread every week where you are outraged, I think my impression is spot on.

And no Dennis doesn't like people acting like pricks. He also doesn't like when we tell people they are acting like pricks. That is actually against the TOS, whereas acting like a prick (as per your interpretation) isn't. But don't worry, I am sure I'll be called out and told to leave you alone.

Are you still outraged?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist. You said California laws, you can't point to one. You switch gears to "other states", but don't specify any other states laws. Some laws are ambiguous yes.

Also there is attorney client privileged so zero recordings between someone and their lawyer would be applicable regardless of how it was recorded.

Tell me what laws you feel are being broken by someone recording in public, without shifting gears.
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California State Law

Unlike New York and New Jersey, California is a “two-party consent” state. This makes it illegal to record a private conversation unless all parties consent to the recording. A violation of the two-party consent provisions of the California Penal Code is a criminal misdemeanor and may also give rise to a civil lawsuit.
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There are plenty of places where California is specified as a two party consent for recording state.

What isn't clear to me is if you and another person are out walking in the woods and somebody is hiding out there and recording your conversation...technically, you are in public if it's a public space, does that mean they aren't held to the standard of 2 or even 1 person consent?

Also, if you're out walking in public with somebody, but well away from anybody else, does that mean you can legally record the conversation with them?
 
Brokenlink said:
I didn't assume anything. I said "You seem outraged" which is not an assumption. It is an observation that you seem to be outraged by your outrage of the week. And no, I don't know you anymore than you know me. However, I can based my impressions on past history. And considering you post a new thread every week where you are outraged, I think my impression is spot on.

And no Dennis doesn't like people acting like pricks. He also doesn't like when we tell people they are acting like pricks. That is actually against the TOS, whereas acting like a prick (as per your interpretation) isn't. But don't worry, I am sure I'll be called out and told to leave you alone.

Are you still outraged?
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You add nothing to the conversation besides a steaming pile of shit and a strong indication of your nature.
 
Climber said:
You add nothing to the conversation besides a steaming pile of shit and a strong indication of your nature.
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Ok, so now you really are outraged and lashing out at me. I'll be the better person and let you continue your diatribe. Feel free to continue calling me names with completely and utter impunity.
 
stangmx13 said:
Didn't Amazon buy Roomba so they could map your house and do a better job selling you things?
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That sale fell apart just this week - Roomba CEO resigned over it AFAIK. The reason appears to be Europe not cool with exactly that prospect (data mining / privacy concerns).
 
Brokenlink said:
Ok, so now you really are outraged and lashing out at me. I'll be the better person and let you continue your diatribe. Feel free to continue calling me names with completely and utter impunity.
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I didn't call you names.

However, you do seem inclined to assume to know better than me what I'm saying and feeling.

You also seem inclined to add useless shit to threads, it's not very charming and doesn't add to the quality of the KS.
 
Climber said:
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There are plenty of places where California is specified as a two party consent for recording state.

What isn't clear to me is if you and another person are out walking in the woods and somebody is hiding out there and recording your conversation...technically, you are in public if it's a public space, does that mean they aren't held to the standard of 2 or even 1 person consent?

Also, if you're out walking in public with somebody, but well away from anybody else, does that mean you can legally record the conversation with them?
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It is a 2 party record state but not if you're in PUBLIC.

If you're not clear about it don;'t follow people and record their conversations.
 
Most likely use for data from this trash is more targeted advertising.
 
PorradaVFR said:
That sale fell apart just this week - Roomba CEO resigned over it AFAIK. The reason appears to be Europe not cool with exactly that prospect (data mining / privacy concerns).
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Nice! European laws are saving us all in many tech cases.
 
Climber said:
I didn't call you names.
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“Acting like a prick” comes pretty close. Of all the ways one could react to BL’s comment, your reaction was the path to escalate. Not every remark requires a response. Do you want the thread to stay on the original topic or turn into a shitshow? How you choose to respond and what you respond to will have a lot to do with the direction it goes.
 
Anyone worried about their privacy being invaded by a nearby Vision Pro user had better not have a smartphone in their pocket. Because those things have been listening in on you for years now.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Anyone worried about their privacy being invaded by a nearby Vision Pro user had better not have a smartphone in their pocket. Because those things have been listening in on you for years now.
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That's not an entirely fair comparison. Phones live in pockets and purses and monitor very little. IR and LIDAR sensors are on often, but cameras need to be turned on. Once AR headsets are made for full-time use, the headset would be monitoring visual data near constantly. It'd be more like someone walking around with a 360 GoPro on their head that is always sending data to Apple's servers.

But that caveat of "once AR headsets are made for full-time use" is huge. IMO, this is much ado about nothing until then. Even Google Glass and the FB RayBans have very limited functionality and battery life.
 
stangmx13 said:
That's not an entirely fair comparison. Phones live in pockets and purses and monitor very little. IR and LIDAR sensors are on often, but cameras need to be turned on. Once AR headsets are made for full-time use, the headset would be monitoring visual data near constantly. It'd be more like someone walking around with a 360 GoPro on their head that is always sending data to Apple's servers.

But that caveat of "once AR headsets are made for full-time use" is huge. IMO, this is much ado about nothing until then. Even Google Glass and the FB RayBans have very limited functionality and battery life.
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The phones monitor enough to get what the establishment wants out of it. It’s no coincidence that I might be having a conversation to someone and something obscure comes up (I got a new power tool or whatever) and sure as can be within a day or two I’ll be looking at yahoo news on my phone and out of the blue I have an ad for Ryobi at Home Depot.

We already have enough phone zombies walking around…kids just staring at the screen not even watching to see if a car is going to hit them crossing the street. The thought of AR headset zombies out in the wild is scary. Fortunately, we are not there. Hopefully never. If those things really are capturing data, all they’re going to get for now is the audio (which phones already do) and video of the back of a seat on an airplane or what someone’s living room looks like. I know they can be “transparent” but I just don’t see anyone wanting to hang out in a Starbucks or whatever for a couple hours with that thing on.

And the elephant in the room…let’s face it, people are going to use those things for porn. Many advances in this tech space have really been most utilized by porn. Can’t imagine people living out their VR fantasies in public spaces.
 
tzrider said:
“Acting like a prick” comes pretty close. Of all the ways one could react to BL’s comment, your reaction was the path to escalate. Not every remark requires a response. Do you want the thread to stay on the original topic or turn into a shitshow? How you choose to respond and what you respond to will have a lot to do with the direction it goes.
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I get it loud and clear.

I'm the bad person here, even though the cheap shot was unprovoked except being me. The message is clear, if you want to take cheap shots at another in the KS, that is fine as day, but don't you dare call somebody out for it. :thumbup
 
TheRobSJ said:
The phones monitor enough to get what the establishment wants out of it. It’s no coincidence that I might be having a conversation to someone and something obscure comes up (I got a new power tool or whatever) and sure as can be within a day or two I’ll be looking at yahoo news on my phone and out of the blue I have an ad for Ryobi at Home Depot.

We already have enough phone zombies walking around…kids just staring at the screen not even watching to see if a car is going to hit them crossing the street. The thought of AR headset zombies out in the wild is scary. Fortunately, we are not there. Hopefully never. If those things really are capturing data, all they’re going to get for now is the audio (which phones already do) and video of the back of a seat on an airplane or what someone’s living room looks like. I know they can be “transparent” but I just don’t see anyone wanting to hang out in a Starbucks or whatever for a couple hours with that thing on.

And the elephant in the room…let’s face it, people are going to use those things for porn. Many advances in this tech space have really been most utilized by porn. Can’t imagine people living out their VR fantasies in public spaces.
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The power tool ad showing up is far more likely caused by one of your friends looking at a product page for a power tool and/or current trends in purchases for your demographic. The ad is caused by the same reason you were talking about the product, not caused by you talking about it. It's far easier and cheaper to analyze data that Amazon/FB/Google already have than it is to record and analyze a convo on the hopes that someone said "Ryobi angle grinder".

AR zombies may not be zombies. AR augments the world around you. So they may be less likely than a regular person to walk into traffic because the headset will highlight the street, the car about to hit them, and beep at them the whole time. As long as the headset is required to turn off the Netflix they were watching to really get their attention :laughing
 
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TheRobSJ said:
The phones monitor enough to get what the establishment wants out of it. It’s no coincidence that I might be having a conversation to someone and something obscure comes up (I got a new power tool or whatever) and sure as can be within a day or two I’ll be looking at yahoo news on my phone and out of the blue I have an ad for Ryobi at Home Depot.

We already have enough phone zombies walking around…kids just staring at the screen not even watching to see if a car is going to hit them crossing the street. The thought of AR headset zombies out in the wild is scary. Fortunately, we are not there. Hopefully never. If those things really are capturing data, all they’re going to get for now is the audio (which phones already do) and video of the back of a seat on an airplane or what someone’s living room looks like. I know they can be “transparent” but I just don’t see anyone wanting to hang out in a Starbucks or whatever for a couple hours with that thing on.

And the elephant in the room…let’s face it, people are going to use those things for porn. Many advances in this tech space have really been most utilized by porn. Can’t imagine people living out their VR fantasies in public spaces.
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We're not there? How about no.
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https://twitter.com/catalinmpit/status/1753862423038329089?t=ZSAhbYyEHymRbStKXC7jsg&s=19

Probably climber is going to talk about privacies pearl clutching now.
 
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It's almost like people want to be in the matrix.
 
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