What was god's purpose in allowing pedophile priests in HIS house?

[kevin 714]

Have you guys ever gone to do something bad, but then something inside stopped you?
Have you guys ever seen an awesome sunset or look at the stars and get a weird awesome feeling of being part of it all?
Ever had a near death experience and had a feeling that everything would be ok if it happened?

I think we have all felt God in our own ways, some of us have ignored it and others think it's all coincidence, but most of us feel something.

(don't take the whisper thing literally, it's the concept of Jimminy Cricket)

1-yes, but its not god that tesls me not to do bad things, its my own personal morals

2-nope, not once

3-yes, butonly cause the idea of death doesnt bother. not cause ill be going somewhere afterwards. i wont

 

[T-1 Thunder]

Yes, but I rather think that's ME stopping myself, and not somebody else.

yes, but its not god that tesls me not to do bad things, its my own personal morals

Where do you think these morals come from?
If you're about to say your parents and upbringing, I don't think so. If you were born in the forest and raised by nobody - you would still have some morals, even if they are illogical and counterproductive to your own survival.

PS: God doesn't "tell" you. God is a part of you and you are a part of it. Nevermind "God" as something separate that controls you. It's inside you. YOU are God...and you don't even know it.

 

[rumpofsteelskin]

Yes, threads about religion on internet forums certainly are extremely valuable means of promoting peace and tolerance. I believe that, through prolonged and respectfully-constructed dialogue, internet forums are gradually changing this world for the better by fostering a common understanding between those who are willing to listen and learn. Why, we can already see how effective these exchanges have been, as religious intolerance has all but been eradicated by internet users who repeatedly hold forth at length on this crucial topic.

 

[afm199]

Where do you think these morals come from?
If you're about to say your parents and upbringing, I don't think so. If you were born in the forest and raised by nobody - you would still have some morals, even if they are illogical and counterproductive to your own survival.

PS: God doesn't "tell" you. God is a part of you and you are a part of it. Nevermind "God" as something separate that controls you. It's inside you. YOU are God...and you don't even know it.

There have been several instances of feral children in literature. They don't have morals like we do. They never learned them. It's why so many inner city kids with absent parents grow up amoral. They never learned them.

 

[kevin 714]

Where do you think these morals come from?
If you're about to say your parents and upbringing, I don't think so. If you were born in the forest and raised by nobody - you would still have some morals, even if they are illogical and counterproductive to your own survival.

PS: God doesn't "tell" you. God is a part of you and you are a part of it. Nevermind "God" as something separate that controls you. It's inside you. YOU are God...and you don't even know it.

ug ive already explained this SO many times. morals and altruism are an evolutionary result. its advantageous to have morals through the species when the species when that species is a societal and collective one. one that live sin close knit groups that band together for survival.

heres one of my worst pet peevs about religous people, when they dont know something they just chalk it up to god insetad of trying to figur eit out. trust me, theres mountains upon mountains of evidence, peer reviewed papers, books et on the evolution of altruism and morals

 

[Sane_Man]

That comment is beneath you, look at all the good that comes out of the Catholic Church, they feed the homeless every week, they provide shelter, medicine. You cannot judge an entire organization for a few corrupt people. Look at the good, not just the bad. Churches serve their purpose, and usually it is good.

That sounds a lot like the Red Cross, and a few other organizations that help people. As far as I know, they don't hold Sunday services or ask you to believe in ghosts in exchange for a bowl of gruel.


Exactly what do churches do with all that cash they rake in each week? There is no way they need all that money just to keep the lights on. Some churches say they need the money in order to build a bigger church. No doubt so they can get more members, which equals more money. But once the new church is open, they say they still need money. Kinda like the toll on the bridges. They still collect huge tolls, well after the bridge has been paid for. Are there auditors who account what the money is spent on?

 

[T-1 Thunder]

There have been several instances of feral children in literature. They don't have morals like we do. They never learned them. It's why so many inner city kids with absent parents grow up amoral. They never learned them.

Sounds like an interesting subject to learn more about, the feral kids.

Even those inner city kids, they know they are doing wrong.
They don't care, they don't give a shit, they're willing to go to the dark side.
They'll even tell you "I'm a bad motherfucker!"

And when their time comes, THEY send themselves to hell.

 

[2old2fly]

free lunch does not exist

Fixed.

Maybe God was worried about all of the attention the catholic school girls were getting and figured the catholic school boys need some lovin too.

See you all in hell.

 

[yella600rr]

Yes, threads about religion on internet forums certainly are extremely valuable means of promoting peace and tolerance. I believe that, through prolonged and respectfully-constructed dialogue, internet forums are gradually changing this world for the better by fostering a common understanding between those who are willing to listen and learn. Why, we can already see how effective these exchanges have been, as religious intolerance has all but been eradicated by internet users who repeatedly hold forth at length on this crucial topic.

Rumpy you are a classic! Thanks!

 

[sliverstorm]

Sounds like an interesting subject to learn more about, the feral kids.

Even those inner city kids, they know they are doing wrong.
They don't care, they don't give a shit, they're willing to go to the dark side.
They'll even tell you "I'm a bad motherfucker!"

And when their time comes, THEY send themselves to hell.

That's because what they are doing is surviving, and to them surviving is more important than doing right by some shiny dude they never met.

Why do they tell you they are a bad motherfucker? Not because they are secretly ashamed of themselves, and are admitting to their inner evil. It's because in a harsher world you maintain an aura of bravado, and try to seem dangerous. Same as how you try to chase off a mountain lion by looking bigger and meaner than you actually are.

 

[T-1 Thunder]

Raping a girl to get your rocks off has nothing to do with survival.
Killing an old lady AFTER you took her money has nothing to do with survival.
Beating up a tourist for looking at you has nothing to do with survival.

We're not talking about poor kids stealing bread to eat here.

 

[sliverstorm]

Where do you think these morals come from?
If you're about to say your parents and upbringing, I don't think so. If you were born in the forest and raised by nobody - you would still have some morals, even if they are illogical and counterproductive to your own survival.

PS: God doesn't "tell" you. God is a part of you and you are a part of it. Nevermind "God" as something separate that controls you. It's inside you. YOU are God...and you don't even know it.

This is what really steams me about religion. According to them, anything good we do, is not our doing, but God's. Anything bad we do, is all our fault.

Why do people think that is right? Why does God think that's the way to teach his children? How many people whose boss at work takes all the credit and lumps all the blame on his subordinates, thinks that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be? Thinks that their boss really DOES own their successes, and not their failures? Anybody with half a brain knows that a good leader and teacher makes failures his own and successes his subordinates'.

If I'm inherently evil, and the only reason there's any good in me is because God is worming his way into me, what is the point of trying to embrace this 'light'? If I am inherently evil, all that can happen is I will get burned. How can I possibly be what I am not?

 

[kevin 714]

Raping a girl to get your rocks off has nothing to do with survival.
Killing an old lady AFTER you took her money has nothing to do with survival.
Beating up a tourist for looking at you has nothing to do with survival.

We're not talking about poor kids stealing bread to eat here.

from biological point of view, all of those could easilly be chalked up to survival ina group thats less connected.

1.passes on your genes
2. takes away potential competitiors
3.protect enviromentt

as ive said before, most humans only apply their morals to a small group, and then have quite a good ability to dehumanize others so as not to activate moral response.

see the war in iraq as an example

 

[yella600rr]

This is what really steams me about religion. According to them, anything good we do, is not our doing, but God's. Anything bad we do, is all our fault.

Why do people think that is right? Why does God think that's the way to teach his children? How many people whose boss at work takes all the credit and lumps all the blame on his subordinates, thinks that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be? Thinks that their boss really DOES own their successes, and not their failures? Anybody with half a brain knows that a good leader and teacher makes failures his own and successes his subordinates'.

Now now calm down I don't think you are discussing this with Theologians with PhD's.

 

[sliverstorm]

Raping a girl to get your rocks off has nothing to do with survival.
Killing an old lady AFTER you took her money has nothing to do with survival.
Beating up a tourist for looking at you has nothing to do with survival.

We're not talking about poor kids stealing bread to eat here.

2) Image (maintaining that fearsome aura)
3) Image

As for 1), if you have to get through your entire life by stealing and taking everything by force, do you think you're going to have an inkling of how to woo a woman? No, you're probably going to do what the world has taught you how to do- take her by force.

On a tangent, I have always wondered if, while of course utterly unacceptable now, rape was at least part of how reproduction went before we had culture and society. I mean, it obviously works on a fundamental survival level, and it requires less time and energy than romancing a woman. And it's not like we had a concept of 'rights' back then.

 

[greener]

Even those inner city kids, they know they are doing wrong. They don't care, they don't give a shit, they're willing to go to the dark side.
They'll even tell you "I'm a bad motherfucker!"

They are simply playing by the rules, the Law, that they were raised in.
Self-preservation, distrust and forming a 'bad' persona are what happens when a child isn't loved and taught. They are not socialized, not integrated into a mainstream society, which is for the most part a polite one. This is a fairly well documented phenomenon. Its been the subject of countless movies and TV shows for that matter. Check out The Wire.

 

[greener]

Oh and to really mess with a God concept, learn about the details of chimpanzee society, where we find perfect parallels for the 'good' and 'evil' men do; altruism, parent/child love, adoption of orphans, helping the sick, tickling, grooming, but also fraternal violence, brutality, war, rape, etc.

 

[kevin 714]

Oh and to really mess with a God concept, learn about the details of chimpanzee society, where we find perfect parallels for the 'good' and 'evil' men do; altruism, parent/child love, adoption of orphans, helping the sick, tickling, grooming, but also fraternal violence, brutality, war, rape, etc.

dolphins and elephants have similar stuff.

really emotions and morals isnt a human only concept, other higher mammals also have them. social mammals with higher cognitive abilites develope these in many cases. its just an evolutionary adaptation

 

[rumpofsteelskin]

Dolphins and sea otters also rape. Statisticians have interpreted this as proof that rape makes you intelligent, dexterous, and an excellent swimmer.

 

[2old2fly]

Oh and to really mess with a God concept, learn about the details of chimpanzee society, where we find perfect parallels for the 'good' and 'evil' men do; altruism, parent/child love, adoption of orphans, helping the sick, tickling, grooming, but also fraternal violence, brutality, war, rape, etc.

How do you know chimpanzee's aren't religious?